From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Nov 11 04:25:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93910 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2006 12:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2006 12:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2006 12:18:51 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GirlS-0001vS-3w for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:15:15 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GirjV-0001u6-Cp; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:13:36 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Girig-0001su-CU for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:12:24 -0800 Received: from mx.211.ru ([193.238.131.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiriB-0001qP-W3 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:12:19 -0800 Received: from localhost (mx.211.ru [193.238.131.194]) by mx.211.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF61EBC87 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:11:49 +0600 (NOVT) Received: from mx.211.ru ([193.238.131.194]) by localhost (mx.211.ru [193.238.131.194]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 50558-03 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:11:47 +0600 (NOVT) Received: from mail.211.ru (mail [10.5.1.2]) by mx.211.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5243EBC75 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:11:47 +0600 (NOVT) Received: from host-102-2-129.211.ru (host-102-2-129.211.ru [10.102.2.129]) by mail.211.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6A05C19 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:11:46 +0600 (NOVT) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:11:40 +0600 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.71.04) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1242304237.20061111181140@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <45556167.10201@lojban.org> References: <20061109041814.GE23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <4553388D.6030007@lojban.org> <20061110011026.GD23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <455433BA.2050601@lojban.org> <4554AF04.60500@kli.org> <45556167.10201@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 13061 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ybatura@mail.ru X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Yanis Batura From: Yanis Batura Reply-To: ybatura@mail.ru Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=AcPK6p5i4DFIqqeS6TTcFRbC8nc_3JQOjuAnByKWLIdC704aPA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27496 On 11.11.2006, 11:36, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > And 99% of us are still thinking in English or our native language, and > translating when we do so. And because of where we are coming from, we > tend to want to Lojbanize everything. > Mature languages (with skilled speakers) do not need extensive > ad-hockery. Borrowings are highly marked when first used, and only get > absorbed into the lexicon slowly over time. Lojban has rules for > allowing this process in a manner that does not violate the language > principles, but when people push the process along, the deliberation > that would hammer out rough edges (and rule violations) doesn't take > place. So people make mistakes. > Since conversational usage often includes mistakes, I don't place a lot > of import on whether some feature causes mistakes, especially when the > alternative approach of mandatory pauses is likely to be equally > violated by Lojban speakers. > I also don't put much import on the failure of proofreaders to catch the > errors. I know how many errors made it into CLL despite a MUCH more > careful and extensive review, over a much longer period. We haven't had > skilled Lojban-speaking editors proofing our works, and everyday > speakers, no matter how skilled, often miss errors when those errors do > not impede their understanding. ie mi panonoce'imei tugni je nelci le se ciska mi'e .ianis To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.