From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Nov 13 17:57:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1816 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 01:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2006 01:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 01:51:44 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjnPZ-00065X-Oj for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:48:29 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjnP1-00064A-UH; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:48:02 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:47:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjnOa-00063m-LP for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:47:28 -0800 Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net ([68.230.240.34]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjnOV-00063Z-9f for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:47:28 -0800 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061114014726.RHTF18065.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:47:26 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id mRmf1V00W3y5FKc0000000; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:46:41 -0500 Message-ID: <45592027.80507@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:47:19 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20061113204805.48815.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4558E466.80006@lojban.org> <525A773F-A307-43AF-9603-3E18C02C42FA@mac.com> <20061113222348.GL24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <54928D3C-975A-48ED-BBCB-2FEE8811049C@mac.com> <20061114004132.GR24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20061114004132.GR24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 13139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Bob LeChevalier From: Bob LeChevalier Reply-To: lojbab@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=DV_jI6dak_BUgdiKjebJsgoR9UrFg_He6kjrlt-IxnzG4Z54yA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27572 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:30:47PM -0500, Robert McIvor wrote: > >>I will assume you wish to have a rule that does not require >>recognizing the presence of the 'forbidden' combinations in the >>word. To do this, one would have to have all cmene marked with >>one of the name introducers like doi or la (I presume 'doi' is >>normally used like 'hoi' in Loglan to precede a name used as a >>vocative. If this be true, then the parser can strip off the >>introducer, and the remainder up to the consonant and pause is a >>name (I presume that a person without a speech defect would not >>pause in the middle of a name). The LaPlace problem was in >>sequential names. For sequential names we used the Loglan word >>for hyphen 'ci', which added 'ci' to the list of name markers. > > > You know, I think that actually works. Or, at least, I can't think > of any problems off the top of my head. > > Call the Lojban name hyphen xi'i; laSTIvn.xi'iLAItl. has no > ambiguity I can see. What about someone surnamed "xi'iLAItl." >>While writing this, I realized there may be a problem in the >>generalization. The Loglan rules were intended for the situation >>where the names were recognized as having the problem. The >>stripping off of the name marker would only occur where another >>name marker was at the beginning of a name, so the remainder >>could be recognized as a name. > > > I didn't follow that at all; can you give an example or something? > > >>Whether this would work in general would depend on whether the >>grammar allowed for a predicate to follow a name in an argument >>e.g. le la Name predicate cu .... and the predicate happened to >>have a name marker as the first syllable e.g. Loglan cibra = >>bridge, I will have to consider the general case in more detail. > > That example causes no problem because "bra" can't be a cmene. a Lojban example, using Robby the robot, using Loglan's "ci" as the hyphen. (A stranger cmavo like xi'i might be harder to find realistic counterexamples for). la djan. cikre la rabis. la djan. ci krelarabis. lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.