From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Nov 09 18:54:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67661 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 02:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 02:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 02:52:15 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiMV2-00020G-Bf for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:52:12 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiMU9-0001zE-FO; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:51:22 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:51:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiMTh-0001z3-Uc for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:50:50 -0800 Received: from pi.meson.org ([66.134.26.207]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiMTc-0001yt-W4 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:50:49 -0800 Received: (qmail 28795 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 02:50:43 -0000 Received: from nagas.meson.org (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (1000@192.168.1.101) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 02:50:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4553E903.4050209@kli.org> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:50:43 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 13022 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mark@kli.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Mark E. Shoulson" From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Reply-To: mark@kli.org Subject: [lojban] Re: livejournal discrimination X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=l7byKYH_mXWlG8WR88Qa_n748dwJmfB0unutGCUFrooaIjct1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27463 Yanis Batura wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: "Hugh O'Byrne" > To: lojban-list@lojban.org > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:27:09 -0500 > Subject: [lojban] Re: livejournal discrimination > > >> Wow. I spend time addressing point after point, and then find the bullseye >> which makes all the rest irrelavent. >> >> On 11/9/06, Bob LeChevalier wrote: >> >>> If my expressions get people so pissed off at me that they don't want to >>> talk about LOkadin any more, then my purposes will be served. >>> >> There you have it, from the horse's mouth, folks. Bob will disregard the >> rules of the language, he will even disregard the welfare of this community, >> just so that he can have his way. "It's my ball, and you can't play with >> it!" Fine, Bob, either stop pretending Lojban is a community effort, or >> stop pretending your ball is Lojban. >> > > I don't know the history. It's interesting. Wasn't JCB telling the same "It's my ball, and you can't play with it" and, as a result, Lojban appeared? > Maybe. IMO this whole discussion has been blown way out of proportion. But to the point of your post, Lojban may not like tinkerers too much, but there's nothing wrong with developing another language based on it. There was jimc's -gua!spi, not directly based on Lo[jg][bl]an but with similar underpinnings in logic... And I think Cheqli or some spelling like that? Go forth and make a logical language. Lojban definitely has its quirks, nobody will deny that. Every brilliant project winds up this way after a few years, with people thinking how they would re-do things if it were done more cleanly from day one. The projects you come up with, if they last that long, will probably also wind up this way. But you might find something interesting along the way, as we found with Lojban, for all its problems. ~mark To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.