From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Nov 13 17:04:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3127 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 00:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2006 00:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 00:57:21 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjmbt-0004Mj-Ew for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:57:09 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmbJ-0004Ky-Ty; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:56:40 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjmat-0004Js-7C for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:56:07 -0800 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.182]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjmai-0004JG-Fb for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:56:06 -0800 Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout12/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id kAE0tug0011694 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.33] (bas12-ottawa23-1177806305.dsl.bell.ca [70.51.229.225]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id kAE0trMd020595 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:55:55 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061114004524.GS24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20061113204805.48815.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4558E466.80006@lojban.org> <525A773F-A307-43AF-9603-3E18C02C42FA@mac.com> <20061113222348.GL24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <54928D3C-975A-48ED-BBCB-2FEE8811049C@mac.com> <20061114004132.GR24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20061114004524.GS24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2674000D-22FA-4910-B27D-BEC4CED8E7AB@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:55:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 13124 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rmcivor@mac.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robert McIvor From: Robert McIvor Reply-To: rmcivor@mac.com Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=eECM9CfzokOBmSM2h6PmUVRVBGw5d0A83J1xZzfyfDLDj948ZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27554 On 13 Nov, 2006, at 19:45, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 04:41:32PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:30:47PM -0500, Robert McIvor wrote: >>> >>> I will assume you wish to have a rule that does not require >>> recognizing the presence of the 'forbidden' combinations in the >>> word. To do this, one would have to have all cmene marked with >>> one of the name introducers like doi or la (I presume 'doi' is >>> normally used like 'hoi' in Loglan to precede a name used as a >>> vocative. > > Yes. > >>> If this be true, then the parser can strip off the introducer, >>> and the remainder up to the consonant and pause is a name (I >>> presume that a person without a speech defect would not pause >>> in the middle of a name). The LaPlace problem was in >>> sequential names. For sequential names we used the Loglan word >>> for hyphen 'ci', which added 'ci' to the list of name markers. >> >> You know, I think that actually works. Or, at least, I can't >> think of any problems off the top of my head. >> >> Call the Lojban name hyphen xi'i; laSTIvn.xi'iLAItl. has no >> ambiguity I can see. > > However, {doilaSTIvn.} is ambiguous still. It's not a particularily > hard ambiguity to fix (strip *all* name markers off the front), but > still. Does Loglan allow that construct? No. In Loglan Hoi would be used only before a bare name (which could be a predicate or series of predicates e.g O Wild West Wind. What is the purpose of doi before an argument? > > -Robin > > -- > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" > Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list- > request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, > or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.