From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Nov 08 22:28:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56435 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 06:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 06:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 06:27:24 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gi2WM-0004If-9x for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:32:14 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gi2Vm-0004Hq-SC; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:31:43 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:31:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gi2VM-0004HY-IM for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:31:12 -0800 Received: from f51.mail.ru ([194.67.57.86]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gi2VI-0004HQ-RQ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:31:12 -0800 Received: from mail by f51.mail.ru with local id 1Gi2VH-0002MF-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:31:07 +0300 Received: from [212.17.0.61] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:31:07 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:31:07 +0300 In-Reply-To: =?windows-1251?Q?<20061109051906.GH23121=40chain.digitalkingdom.org>?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 12972 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ybatura@mail.ru X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Yanis Batura From: Yanis Batura Reply-To: ybatura@mail.ru Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=8BkF24I2SNSZZUlKdSTiIExUBgPJOHGjhydL9WmTVI9Wuc5igw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27415 -----Original Message----- From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:19:06 -0800 Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names > > On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 08:06:37AM +0300, Yanis Batura wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robin Lee Powell > > To: lojban-list@lojban.org > > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:50:04 -0800 > > Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names > > > On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 07:34:08AM +0300, Yanis Batura wrote: > > > > I am absolutely sure that a native Lojban speaker will have > > > > the rule comfortly sitting in his/her brain. I am absolutely > > > > sure that given a good special training we will all > > > > internalize this rule. > > > > > > I utterly disagree. More to the point, there is *no evidence* > > > for your view, and lots for mine. > > > > I see your point. In the 19th century, people didn't fly on > > airplanes. Now they do. > > Straw man, and wrong: the existence of birds was evidence. You have > none at all. OK, I agree with you. I have none so far. > > > > > A rule we can't follow that, in the not-following, breaks > > > > > audio-visual isomorphism is, to me, a total travesty of one > > > > > of the most important goals of the language. Whether > > > > > someone gets to use the "la" sound in their name or not is > > > > > totally irrelevant to my concerns. We're *breaking the > > > > > language*, and it has to stop. > > > > > > > > Your suggestions? (sorry if I missed something back from 2005 > > > > :) > > > > > > Pauses before all names. > > > > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The%20Case%20Against%20LA > > > > This suggestion is reasonable, but it has two disadvantages: > > > > 1) {la.} is longer and a bit harder to pronounce than {la} if used > > with consonant-starting names. > > Boo hoo. Sorry, I don't understand this. I am not a native American English speaker. What do you mean by this? > > 2) You'll have to change the language. > > The language as it stands is demonstrably broken; all you have to do > is turn to page iii of "What Is Lojban?" to see that. I don't see how a language can be broken by making mistakes in it, be they made by whom you consider an "expert". mi'e .ianis To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.