From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Nov 20 14:04:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27675 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2006 21:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2006 21:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2006 21:58:31 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GmGxE-0003DR-Hu for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:45:28 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GmGwR-0003C0-3B; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:44:45 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GmGvc-0003An-Cm for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:43:48 -0800 Received: from web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.124]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GmGvX-0003AO-Hl for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:43:47 -0800 Received: (qmail 89767 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Nov 2006 21:43:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20061120214342.89765.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.237.213.146] by web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:43:42 PST Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:43:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20061119102735.93qti653e28soco0@webmail.pdx.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-archive-position: 13221 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: doi HeliodoR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=yxIRPCFXk3YV3CDqDDwfsKJOdijSDHxegLcA4e3PfcPJhiUTiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27654 --- keppel@pdx.edu wrote: > ko gletu ko To beat a dead horse, notice that this is not very good Lojban -- semantically at least. {gletu} is the Lojban word for copulation; it has none of the violent or denigatory affects of the English word being translated here. At least the predicate ought to be {malgletu}, but it is not clear that we want to carry over this English usage -- however universal it has become -- into Lojban, I don't have an alternative to suggest, though the root meaning of the English word is "hit, pound, batter" so {marxa} might be a good starting point -- it seems equally physically impossible, even. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.