From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Nov 08 17:40:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49190 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 01:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 01:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 01:39:14 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ghys7-00080B-C7 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:38:27 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ghyqd-0007yi-Ld; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:37:02 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GhyqB-0007yU-1q for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:36:27 -0800 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.174]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ghyq5-0007yL-ED for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:36:26 -0800 Received: from mac.com (smtpin06-en2 [10.13.10.151]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout04/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id kA91aKGQ026794 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 17:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.33] (bas12-ottawa23-1177569192.dsl.bell.ca [70.48.71.168]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin06/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id kA91aIdn005535 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 17:36:19 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061108232125.GV32108@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20061108232125.GV32108@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:36:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 12956 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rmcivor@mac.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robert McIvor From: Robert McIvor Reply-To: rmcivor@mac.com Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=o0PzYlyeTKpU3is2HmVgqBJ98PyhLb8KYZcJ_wD5v8n6kDPIQw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27397 On 8 Nov, 2006, at 18:21, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 07:08:56AM -0500, > MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: >> Join the club. I'd like to be able to say my name in Lojban >> ("laitl"), but it's not legal after "la". > > In current Lojban it's not legal *at all*, after la or otherwise. > > *However*, that didn't stop it from getting into a *published Lojban > book*, despite it being written by the most fluent speaker at the > time, and being proofread by most of the best Lojbanists at the > time: > > http://lojban.org/publications/level0/brochure-utf/pref.html > > Search for "laitl". > > .i ji'a pe'i le me zo la javni cu nitcu co se daspo > > -Robin > I might note that Loglan removed the restriction on names beginning with La, or any other letter group that could precede a bare name (e.g. Hoi (which precedes a vocative) ci (hyphen, for reasons which follow)) by introducing the following rules. Such a name used as as a vocative must be preceded by 'hoi' , or 'la' when used in an argument. Consecutive names e.g. Peter Lalonde (or Lalande) must be written as pitr ci laland. When a listener hears multiple combinations of la, ci, or hoi, da knows that the first member is a name indicator, and the remainder up to the terminating consonant and subsequent pause is a name. This is from memory, but I think it covers the situation. Forbidding 'la' in names is awkward for people of French background, whose names very frequently begin with La or Le Bob McIvor To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.