From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Nov 29 09:09:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72353 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2006 17:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2006 17:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.66.169) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2006 17:03:17 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GpSBw-0002AX-PW for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:21:48 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GpSBL-00028W-P4; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:21:20 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GpSAr-00027T-VC for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:20:42 -0800 Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GpSAj-000274-Ce for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:20:41 -0800 Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B13594780 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:20:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:20:12 +0100 (CET) X-X-Sender: arj@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no In-Reply-To: <20061129154607.406534FDCA@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: References: <20061129154607.406534FDCA@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 13266 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arj@nvg.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.66.169 X-eGroups-From: Arnt Richard Johansen From: Arnt Richard Johansen Reply-To: arj@nvg.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Borges translation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=kxnS2IycnHR8uiVruC9qgev6DZV1Edm2O-CbOOnj-cU9Z73wig X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27702 Ignoring the few typos, I get: On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Arika Okrent wrote: > Here's what I walked in with: > li'a ro da poi se ciste le munje fi'e zo'e cu cunso gi'e culno so'i smadi > .i da poi krinu le go'i cu caisampu > .i ma'a na djuno ma le munje Obviously, the structure of the universe, devised by someone, is random and full of persons who guess. There is a reason for that, which *IS* simple. What is it that we don't know about the universe? > Here's what came out of the discussion -- while it certainly wasn't settled definitively, it got some general agreement (with the caveat that my notes are hard to read, and that the gismu choices weren't fully settled): > > li'a ro da poi ve ganzu le munje cu cunso na gi'e nai barda lo ka sesmadi > .i da poi krinu la'e di'u cu mutsce sampu > .i da zo'u ma'a na djuno le du'u le munje cu mokau Obviously, not every ontology of the universe is random, neither is its amount of conjectures large. The reason for this is very simple. As regards something, we don't know what the universe is like. -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ [T]he savvy DXer will usually bet a pair of nickels he can pinpoint the DXCC country of the "chopity-chow-pit chow-chow-pi-chow" even before he hears the call sign. -John F. Lindholm, QST vol. 66 no. 3 p. 83 To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.