From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Nov 13 16:38:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84801 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 00:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2006 00:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 00:36:27 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmEQ-0003sv-Qk for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:32:55 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmD2-0003ru-1q; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:31:34 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmCY-0003rf-L1 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:30:58 -0800 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.184]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmCT-0003rW-7k for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:30:58 -0800 Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout14/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id kAE0Uq11024921 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.33] (bas12-ottawa23-1177806305.dsl.bell.ca [70.51.229.225]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id kAE0Un47011853 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:30:50 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061113222348.GL24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20061113204805.48815.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4558E466.80006@lojban.org> <525A773F-A307-43AF-9603-3E18C02C42FA@mac.com> <20061113222348.GL24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <54928D3C-975A-48ED-BBCB-2FEE8811049C@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:30:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 13116 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rmcivor@mac.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robert McIvor From: Robert McIvor Reply-To: rmcivor@mac.com Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=o5jRkJ4Xw8U8LUTKhp9fJEIPRxUxW81BNBWnwdhHi8jtZOBUGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27550 I will assume you wish to have a rule that does not require recognizing the presence of the 'forbidden' combinations in the word. To do this, one would have to have all cmene marked with one of the name introducers like doi or la (I presume 'doi' is normally used like 'hoi' in Loglan to precede a name used as a vocative. If this be true, then the parser can strip off the introducer, and the remainder up to the consonant and pause is a name (I presume that a person without a speech defect would not pause in the middle of a name). The LaPlace problem was in sequential names. For sequential names we used the Loglan word for hyphen 'ci', which added 'ci' to the list of name markers, While writing this, I realized there may be a problem in the generalization. The Loglan rules were intended for the situation where the names were recognized as having the problem. The stripping off of the name marker would only occur where another name marker was at the beginning of a name, so the remainder could be recognized as a name. Whether this would work in general would depend on whether the grammar allowed for a predicate to follow a name in an argument e.g. le la Name predicate cu .... and the predicate happened to have a name marker as the first syllable e.g. Loglan cibra = bridge, I will have to consider the general case in more detail. On 13 Nov, 2006, at 17:23, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 05:14:19PM -0500, Robert McIvor wrote: >> >> And the rule was altered to cover the LaPlace situation. I >> believe the current solution allows unambiguous parsing of names >> (in Loglan), and has only the restriction that names end with a >> consonant and a pause. > > The rule you described didn't appear to actually solve the problem, > but then I couldn't follow it well. Can you describe it in detail for > someone (me) who doesn't know any Loglan at all? > > -Robin > > -- > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" > Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list- > request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, > or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.