From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Nov 12 08:23:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76315 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2006 16:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2006 16:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2006 16:22:26 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjHtp-0000vV-T6 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 08:09:38 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjHsP-0000tl-Qz; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 08:08:15 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 12 Nov 2006 08:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjHrs-0000tA-OX for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 08:07:37 -0800 Received: from mx.211.ru ([193.238.131.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjHrl-0000so-PQ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 08:07:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (mx.211.ru [193.238.131.194]) by mx.211.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441E0EBC65 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:07:26 +0600 (NOVT) Received: from mx.211.ru ([193.238.131.194]) by localhost (mx.211.ru [193.238.131.194]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07705-10 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:07:24 +0600 (NOVT) Received: from mail.211.ru (mail [10.5.1.2]) by mx.211.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB10DEBC5A for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:07:24 +0600 (NOVT) Received: from host-102-2-129.211.ru (host-102-2-129.211.ru [10.102.2.129]) by mail.211.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704BF5C19 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:07:24 +0600 (NOVT) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:07:18 +0600 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.71.04) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <975041737.20061112220718@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 13073 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ybatura@mail.ru X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Yanis Batura From: Yanis Batura Reply-To: ybatura@mail.ru Subject: [lojban] Project: Intensive Course of Spoken Lojban X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=F80VKpDzoaTh351tocRenMXbx2oi1Fmlf2ARSvezkE0gRpFIrA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27506 Intensive Course of Spoken Lojban a project Major goal ---------- Large number of fluent Lojban speakers Current goal ------------ Creation of an intensive course of spoken Lojban Background ---------- The next year will be the 10th anniversary of the fundamental Lojban publication, "The Complete Lojban Language". At present, still, there are no speakers in the world capable of fluent communicating in the language at advanced level in real time - without wordlists and saying {.y.} every thrice in a while. Why is it so? Why can't people get to this level as it is with other languages (natural and constructed, like Esperanto)? It is obvious that something is missing in our Lojban universe that could help solving this problem. Yes - problem (not having fluent speakers *is* a problem for a famous language with a long history and an incredible amount of efforts by many supporters). Let's take a look at what we have now. There is a number of materials well known for anyone who dealt more or less seriously with Lojban. They include: 1) What is Lojban? An excellent introduction of major features of Lojban and ideas laying in its design. 2) Lojban For Beginners (LFB) A basic training course aimed at getting people accustomed to the features of Lojban. 3) The Complete Lojban Language (CLL) A book answering almost all questions about the language 4) Gismu, cmavo, lujvo lists and jbovlaste While this is, of course, sufficient for slow-paced, solid *written* translation to and from Lojban, it's not at all sufficient for getting anyone to the shiny peak of Lojban speaking proficiency. The only available serious educational material, LFB, misses one of the most significant parts: teaching of lexics of the language. I mean, intensive teaching of useful, everyday lexics that cover 95% of common speech situations. Besides, speaking practice (a critical requirement in mastering of spoken Lojban) is now only a dream for beginners. Why? Because there are no Lojban speakers. :) This restriction could have got eased by supplementary multimedia materials -- if they had been. More than a year ago I've written Parallel 2, a multimedia program for parallel reading with a possibility of listening to recorded sounds of Lojban language. While the community showed moderate interest in it (you can take a look at the number of downloads and several versions for different platforms made by other Lojbanists), I see now that the method used in Parallel is not adequate for what is required. Parallel modules were rather chaotic and didn't encourage users to *speak* Lojban. I am very sure that speaking enhances listening and vice versa. Suggestion ---------- Mastering Lojban requires a lot of work. It requires making tons of excersizes, most of which are rather hard. Let us gather ourselves and create a thorough and powerful course providing these excersizes and possibility to think and SPEAK Lojban! Let us: - Decide what lexics are most important - Create examples of their usage - Create excersizes - Record samples of our speech - Create a format and educational software for different platforms, and finally - Use what we will have created for achieving proficiency in spoken Lojban! >>From now on, I will devote my free time to fulfilling this goal. I call upon every competent and creative Lojbanist to take part in the project that I think everyone will consider important. Please, let my voice not be of one crying in the wilderness - share your opinions and suggestions. Let us start this project together! Yanis Batura To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.