From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Nov 13 17:36:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61653 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 01:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2006 01:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 01:31:10 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjmmg-00052P-55 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:08:18 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjml1-0004zD-HG; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:06:50 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmkV-0004yk-5x for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:06:03 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmkU-0004yd-N7 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:06:02 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:06:02 -0800 Message-ID: <20061114010602.GX24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <325816428.20061113190842@mail.ru> <20061113171203.GD24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <1979690511.20061114065446@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1979690511.20061114065446@mail.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-archive-position: 13127 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=ZVg5xB3qWTIYoEIxvVyeSdJKIQKC-m9Iwsa9x4Qg7vojlKhVGw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27567 On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 06:54:46AM +0600, Yanis Batura wrote: > On 13.11.2006, 23:12, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:08:42PM +0600, Yanis Batura wrote: > >> On 13.11.2006, 18:47, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > >> > >> I would recommend a simple yet easy to learn solution that > >> won't distort the design of the language: saying {lua} for any > >> occurrence of {la} in cmene, {luai} for {lai} and {duoi} for > >> {doi}. > > > That assumes people are capable of noticing the presence of > > those syllables, when clearly we're not. > > Interesting. Will you generalize to the point that humans cannot > detect *any* given syllables in a stream of words they're just > going to pronounce, even after a training? Do you think there is a > technical limitation of human brains causing this? No, and no. I suspect that it might be *possible* to train human brains to do the right thing here, but then it's possible to train people to scream in terror every time you say "blue", if you try hard enough. I simply assert that it has shown to be so incredibly hard as to be not worth our trouble. That is, it appears to be untrainable in practical terms. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.