From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Nov 13 18:29:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57770 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 02:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2006 02:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 02:21:48 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjndF-0006jb-2D for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:02:37 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjncf-0006QU-G3; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:02:07 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjncC-0006Pr-RN for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:01:32 -0800 Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net ([68.230.240.34]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjnc1-0006OM-3F for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:01:32 -0800 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061114020122.RYLI18065.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:01:22 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id mS0b1V00x3y5FKc0000000; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:00:37 -0500 Message-ID: <4559236B.80808@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:01:15 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <325816428.20061113190842@mail.ru> <20061113171203.GD24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <4558B5C3.9020006@kli.org> <87d57rxf3v.fsf@gmail.com> <4558E2A1.9010907@lojban.org> <20061113221830.GK24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <455917D5.8080607@lojban.org> <20061114011949.GA24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20061114011949.GA24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 13142 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Bob LeChevalier From: Bob LeChevalier Reply-To: lojbab@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=A92bwo5EC5Kn-lseJALGkdwsqJ204zI2NHpwHBjH_hvegp0W1A X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27578 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 08:11:49PM -0500, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > >>Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> >>>2. When you've written such a tool, let me know. Right now, you >>>have no evidence that this is a human learnable rule; you're just >>>having a pipe dream. >> >>Of course it is a human-learnable rule. You underestimate human >>capabilities. >> >>The issue seems to be whether it is a rule that humans will learn >>to follow *without error*, > > Not without error all the time, but without error more than, say, > 50% of the time they Lojbanize names with those sounds in them. > Again, we have no evidence that that goal is acheivable, because we > certainly haven't acheived it so far (3 Lojbanists reviewing WIL? > puts us at an *upper bound* of a 33% chance of getting it right). I contend that Lojbanists reviewing WIL weren't necessarily thinking about checking for the "la" rule. This is a matter of editing/proofreading; some errors simply just don't bother us, if we aren't trained to look for them. lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.