From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Nov 09 10:20:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14100 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 18:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 18:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 18:15:52 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiEI6-0007kj-KW for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:06:18 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiEHF-0007jU-RK; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:05:34 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:05:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiEGo-0007ir-Sb for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:04:58 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiEGo-0007ik-IJ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:04:58 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:04:58 -0800 Message-ID: <20061109180458.GS23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20061109041814.GE23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <4553388D.6030007@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4553388D.6030007@lojban.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-archive-position: 12996 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=Y87IK8GIIR9GIbmviIvv9_OnxN7nORcEI8VfkGewHs5LS_mq7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27438 On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 09:17:49AM -0500, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 06:40:28AM +0300, Yanis Batura wrote: > >>I don't understand you, people. You are not at all confused by > >>the fact that Lojban doesn't have VERY MANY sounds present in > >>other languages, but the fact that you can't spell your name > >>exactly as in English make you sick. > >> > >>Lojban doesn't allow {la}, {lai} and {doi} in names, and that's > >>all. If even almost everyone, including me, of course, cannot > >>adhere to this rule, that is our problem, and not the > >>language's. Just wait, and the sence of correct lojbanization > >>will develop in us. > > > >Not a single Lojbanist has *ever* internalized this rule. We > >know this because *every* major Lojbanist has made this mistake, > >and it showed up in "What Is Lojban?", which was proofread by at > >least 3 major Lojbanists. > > I suspect one could find a few other critical errors that have > been made by *every* major Lojbanist. > > Omission of cu or a required ku come to mind. But those get caught by other Lojbanists. When 3 serious Lojbanists seriously reviewing a work for publication don't notice, the rule is untenable. > But then every fluent English speaker makes grammatical errors > once in a while, and when not controlled, makes such errors > *frequently*. English doesn't have audio-visual isomorphism; Lojban does, in theory, and the current system is forcing us into a dialect of Lojban that doesn't. I can't accept the loss of such a major design goal. Period. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.