From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Nov 13 05:31:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47597 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2006 13:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2006 13:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2006 13:26:00 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjbaR-0004JO-C3 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 05:10:55 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjbZ3-0004HL-EV; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 05:09:33 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 05:09:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjbYV-0004Gm-Pr for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 05:08:55 -0800 Received: from mx.211.ru ([193.238.131.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjbYQ-0004Gd-VO for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 05:08:55 -0800 Received: from localhost (mx.211.ru [193.238.131.194]) by mx.211.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442B5EBC86 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:08:49 +0600 (NOVT) Received: from mx.211.ru ([193.238.131.194]) by localhost (mx.211.ru [193.238.131.194]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26594-07 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:08:47 +0600 (NOVT) Received: from mail.211.ru (mail [10.5.1.2]) by mx.211.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id B901DEBC84 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:08:47 +0600 (NOVT) Received: from host-102-2-129.211.ru (host-102-2-129.211.ru [10.102.2.129]) by mail.211.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0A95C1B for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:08:47 +0600 (NOVT) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:08:42 +0600 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.71.04) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <325816428.20061113190842@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 13088 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ybatura@mail.ru X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Yanis Batura From: Yanis Batura Reply-To: ybatura@mail.ru Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=W5AppFZ_B2IIINBAYRaEZPPAAU7XySHJ4euG6Lp9K_fS4hu2yQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27519 On 13.11.2006, 18:47, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > Here's another reason the "la" rule is bad. > As I understand it, ordinary gismu and lujvo can be used as names > after "la". There are 23 gismu beginning with "la-", 16 rafsi > beginning with "la"+consonant, 5 rafsi with "la'V" and 2 rafsi > "laV". This means there are a lot of actual and potential words > which act differently from any other native Lojban words, namely by > becoming illegal when used as a cmene. For this reason alone the "la" rule should be replaced. I would recommend a simple yet easy to learn solution that won't distort the design of the language: saying {lua} for any occurrence of {la} in cmene, {luai} for {lai} and {duoi} for {doi}. Examples: {la luas. vegas}, {la nelson. mandeluas}. If you want to use a gismu or lujvo in {la} construction, then add an {s}: {larcu} -> {la luarcus} {glare ladru} -> {la gluareluadrus} etc. For me, the possibility of saying a consonant-starting cmene after {la} without glottal stop overweighs all disadvantages of the rule. The matter of taste, of course. mi'e .ianis To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.