From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Nov 13 17:25:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10393 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 01:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2006 01:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 01:22:29 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjmmo-00053H-7w for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:08:26 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmmL-00050s-73; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:08:01 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjmlr-00050X-0k for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:07:27 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjmlq-00050P-ML for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:07:26 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:07:26 -0800 Message-ID: <20061114010726.GY24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20061113204805.48815.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4558E466.80006@lojban.org> <525A773F-A307-43AF-9603-3E18C02C42FA@mac.com> <4558F37D.9070003@kli.org> <1C22C212-76D1-47C4-A7B1-F374D9F4637A@mac.com> <20061114004934.GT24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <41F8D659-DB94-42DE-9AFD-866F37BE283A@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41F8D659-DB94-42DE-9AFD-866F37BE283A@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-archive-position: 13129 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=xcdYGfR3Owik21CZ1_IflDRCDxTsUq1yoge60VuXJpH2y47kMg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27558 On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 08:02:28PM -0500, Robert McIvor wrote: > > On 13 Nov, 2006, at 19:49, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > >On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:45:21PM -0500, Robert McIvor wrote: > >> > >>On 13 Nov, 2006, at 17:36, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: > >> > >>>Robert McIvor wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>>And the rule was altered to cover the LaPlace situation. I > >>>>believe the current solution allows unambiguous parsing of > >>>>names (in Loglan), and has only the restriction that names > >>>>end with a consonant and a pause. > >>>I'm still not fully understanding how the new Loglan rule > >>>covers all cases. What about someone named, say {parmalagan}? > >>>Is {la parmalagan} a single person, or is it {la parma la gan}, > >>>two sumti, the first being LA on a hypothetical predicate > >>>{parma}? > >> > >>la parmalagan would be la Parmalagan, because la parma would > >>need to be followed by a pause to be la parma la gan > > > >Why is that, exactly? That wasn't mentioned in your full > >description. > > There has to be a pause after a name, whether a predicate used as > a name or a proper name. This signals the end of the name. The > pause is before the second la. I presume when a predicate is > used with la, it is intended to specify a particular instance of > that predicate. Aaaaah. You didn't mention that part. That makes a huge difference. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.