From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Nov 13 17:09:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47068 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 00:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2006 00:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 00:59:20 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmOG-00040v-Qz for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:43:04 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmNG-0003zp-Aj; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:42:10 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmMn-0003zV-63 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:41:33 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmMm-0003zO-U5 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:41:33 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:41:32 -0800 Message-ID: <20061114004132.GR24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20061113204805.48815.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4558E466.80006@lojban.org> <525A773F-A307-43AF-9603-3E18C02C42FA@mac.com> <20061113222348.GL24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <54928D3C-975A-48ED-BBCB-2FEE8811049C@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <54928D3C-975A-48ED-BBCB-2FEE8811049C@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-archive-position: 13117 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=cZXl_7FVHaRo-b5zdqszB0MIjZWSOgf7skEaLRp5KiLvzBhPMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27556 On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:30:47PM -0500, Robert McIvor wrote: > > I will assume you wish to have a rule that does not require > recognizing the presence of the 'forbidden' combinations in the > word. To do this, one would have to have all cmene marked with > one of the name introducers like doi or la (I presume 'doi' is > normally used like 'hoi' in Loglan to precede a name used as a > vocative. If this be true, then the parser can strip off the > introducer, and the remainder up to the consonant and pause is a > name (I presume that a person without a speech defect would not > pause in the middle of a name). The LaPlace problem was in > sequential names. For sequential names we used the Loglan word > for hyphen 'ci', which added 'ci' to the list of name markers. You know, I think that actually works. Or, at least, I can't think of any problems off the top of my head. Call the Lojban name hyphen xi'i; laSTIvn.xi'iLAItl. has no ambiguity I can see. > While writing this, I realized there may be a problem in the > generalization. The Loglan rules were intended for the situation > where the names were recognized as having the problem. The > stripping off of the name marker would only occur where another > name marker was at the beginning of a name, so the remainder > could be recognized as a name. I didn't follow that at all; can you give an example or something? > Whether this would work in general would depend on whether the > grammar allowed for a predicate to follow a name in an argument > e.g. le la Name predicate cu .... and the predicate happened to > have a name marker as the first syllable e.g. Loglan cibra = > bridge, I will have to consider the general case in more detail. That example causes no problem because "bra" can't be a cmene. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.