From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Nov 08 21:44:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17016 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 05:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 05:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 05:44:49 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gi2i9-0004Vy-V4 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:44:26 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gi2hI-0004TH-K7; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:43:36 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gi2gs-0004Sf-KZ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:43:06 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gi2gs-0004SY-8U for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:43:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:43:06 -0800 Message-ID: <20061109054306.GJ23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-archive-position: 12974 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=vfBUm-aYm5saBVWWN6ZSLy69chft_rYJFNGJObptycup7_O1kA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27412 > > > > > > A rule we can't follow that, in the not-following, > > > > > > breaks audio-visual isomorphism is, to me, a total > > > > > > travesty of one of the most important goals of the > > > > > > language. Whether someone gets to use the "la" sound in > > > > > > their name or not is totally irrelevant to my concerns. > > > > > > We're *breaking the language*, and it has to stop. > > > > > > > > > > Your suggestions? (sorry if I missed something back from > > > > > 2005 :) > > > > > > > > Pauses before all names. > > > > > > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The%20Case%20Against%20LA > > > > > > This suggestion is reasonable, but it has two disadvantages: > > > > > > 1) {la.} is longer and a bit harder to pronounce than {la} if > > > used with consonant-starting names. > > > > Boo hoo. > > Sorry, I don't understand this. I am not a native American English > speaker. What do you mean by this? It means "I don't care". > > > 2) You'll have to change the language. > > > > The language as it stands is demonstrably broken; all you have > > to do is turn to page iii of "What Is Lojban?" to see that. > > I don't see how a language can be broken by making mistakes in it, > be they made by whom you consider an "expert". A language with strict rules that cannot be followed is broken: either it's a language without strict rules at that point (since people aren't following them) or it's a language with unfollowable rules. Either case is broken. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.