From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Nov 09 17:24:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99193 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2006 01:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2006 01:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2006 01:18:14 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiKpj-0008OX-9s for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:05:27 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiKp5-0008Ng-H0; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:04:51 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiKoc-0008N4-KF for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:04:18 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiKoc-0008Mw-8N for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:04:18 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:04:18 -0800 Message-ID: <20061110010418.GC23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20061109041814.GE23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <4553388D.6030007@lojban.org> <20061109180458.GS23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <1397856454.20061110065925@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1397856454.20061110065925@mail.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-archive-position: 13017 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=sESoQGZWecTPDsYiNoFIb-aTsXvNoRNPtf5D6dJZZmdlC4wBXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27458 On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 06:59:25AM +0600, Yanis Batura wrote: > On 10.11.2006, 0:04, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > >> I suspect one could find a few other critical errors that have > >> been made by *every* major Lojbanist. > >> > >> Omission of cu or a required ku come to mind. > > > But those get caught by other Lojbanists. When 3 serious > > Lojbanists seriously reviewing a work for publication don't > > notice, the rule is untenable. > > (I hope you forgot that I promised not to argue on this point > anymore) I was annoyed that you ended the discussion saying it was about "belief and evidence" when you have no evidence for your position, but I didn't respond to that because you promised to stop, so I'm rather annoyed, actually. > I doubt that any of these 3 serious Lojbanists have ever seriously > looked through that list of proper names. *I* certainly did. > And even if they did, they've surely paid much less attention to > it than to the main text. I tried to pay maximum attention to every part of the text. But nothing you're saying alters my point in the slightest: every other rule mistake people make gets caught by a casual read from one or two other Lojbanists. This is the *only* rule that is so consistently un-noticed by skilled Lojbanists. It's in a class by itself in difficulty. I don't know how else to say it. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.