From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Nov 13 17:35:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80916 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 01:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2006 01:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 01:31:11 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmiF-0004vK-Bl for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:03:43 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjmhc-0004sQ-S5; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:03:11 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:02:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmhC-0004ri-3I for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:02:38 -0800 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.182]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjmh6-0004rP-1t for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:02:37 -0800 Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout12/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id kAE12VGQ014878 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.33] (bas12-ottawa23-1177806305.dsl.bell.ca [70.51.229.225]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id kAE12TN4022899 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:02:30 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061114004934.GT24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20061113204805.48815.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4558E466.80006@lojban.org> <525A773F-A307-43AF-9603-3E18C02C42FA@mac.com> <4558F37D.9070003@kli.org> <1C22C212-76D1-47C4-A7B1-F374D9F4637A@mac.com> <20061114004934.GT24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <41F8D659-DB94-42DE-9AFD-866F37BE283A@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:02:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 13126 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rmcivor@mac.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robert McIvor From: Robert McIvor Reply-To: rmcivor@mac.com Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=8XBIEBZUMfuPDPWVqBt7FFtAgVAhsCks66y7cDLesDpQq5NwqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27566 On 13 Nov, 2006, at 19:49, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:45:21PM -0500, Robert McIvor wrote: >> >> On 13 Nov, 2006, at 17:36, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: >> >>> Robert McIvor wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> And the rule was altered to cover the LaPlace situation. I >>>> believe the current solution allows unambiguous parsing of >>>> names (in Loglan), and has only the restriction that names end >>>> with a consonant and a pause. >>> I'm still not fully understanding how the new Loglan rule covers >>> all cases. What about someone named, say {parmalagan}? Is {la >>> parmalagan} a single person, or is it {la parma la gan}, two >>> sumti, the first being LA on a hypothetical predicate {parma}? >> >> la parmalagan would be la Parmalagan, because la parma would need >> to be followed by a pause to be la parma la gan > > Why is that, exactly? That wasn't mentioned in your full > description. There has to be a pause after a name, whether a predicate used as a name or a proper name. This signals the end of the name. The pause is before the second la. I presume when a predicate is used with la, it is intended to specify a particular instance of that predicate. > > Is that a pause before la, or a pause after anything after la, even > if it's not a name? > > -Robin > > -- > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" > Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list- > request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, > or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.