From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Nov 13 17:28:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49354 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 01:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2006 01:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 01:22:25 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjmyn-0005QG-55 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:20:49 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjmyG-0005P7-Hd; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:20:20 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjmxp-0005O5-PJ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:19:49 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjmxp-0005Ny-GE for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:19:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:19:49 -0800 Message-ID: <20061114011949.GA24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <325816428.20061113190842@mail.ru> <20061113171203.GD24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <4558B5C3.9020006@kli.org> <87d57rxf3v.fsf@gmail.com> <4558E2A1.9010907@lojban.org> <20061113221830.GK24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <455917D5.8080607@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <455917D5.8080607@lojban.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-archive-position: 13132 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=QpnElenR3RAAtUx6EOB5ioEu_RnkMCD_L7dtx9Hbro7foKyTOw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27561 On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 08:11:49PM -0500, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >2. When you've written such a tool, let me know. Right now, you > >have no evidence that this is a human learnable rule; you're just > >having a pipe dream. > > Of course it is a human-learnable rule. You underestimate human > capabilities. > > The issue seems to be whether it is a rule that humans will learn > to follow *without error*, Not without error all the time, but without error more than, say, 50% of the time they Lojbanize names with those sounds in them. Again, we have no evidence that that goal is acheivable, because we certainly haven't acheived it so far (3 Lojbanists reviewing WIL? puts us at an *upper bound* of a 33% chance of getting it right). While I was typing this mail, someone Lojbanized {malak} on #lojban, by the way. The rule obnoxious, it gains us nothing whatever that *I* care about (oh no, a glottal stop! .ii sai je'u nai), and it appears to be very hard to follow. Again, I don't think either of us are saying anything new at this point. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.