From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Nov 08 21:45:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95412 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 05:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2006 05:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 05:44:51 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gi2Lp-00046F-8s for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:21:21 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gi2Ki-00043f-At; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:20:16 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gi2Je-00042Z-Uf for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:19:07 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gi2Je-00042S-Jn for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:19:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:19:06 -0800 Message-ID: <20061109051906.GH23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-archive-position: 12971 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=SfLa2hX0UwrOpq4zOZfoKbhzOvU3FpGdtVcr6sD_gVrdUTihOA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27413 On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 08:06:37AM +0300, Yanis Batura wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Lee Powell > To: lojban-list@lojban.org > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:50:04 -0800 > Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names > > > > > On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 07:34:08AM +0300, Yanis Batura wrote: > > > I am absolutely sure that a native Lojban speaker will have > > > the rule comfortly sitting in his/her brain. I am absolutely > > > sure that given a good special training we will all > > > internalize this rule. > > > > I utterly disagree. More to the point, there is *no evidence* > > for your view, and lots for mine. > > I see your point. In the 19th century, people didn't fly on > airplanes. Now they do. Straw man, and wrong: the existence of birds was evidence. You have none at all. > > > > A rule we can't follow that, in the not-following, breaks > > > > audio-visual isomorphism is, to me, a total travesty of one > > > > of the most important goals of the language. Whether > > > > someone gets to use the "la" sound in their name or not is > > > > totally irrelevant to my concerns. We're *breaking the > > > > language*, and it has to stop. > > > > > > Your suggestions? (sorry if I missed something back from 2005 > > > :) > > > > Pauses before all names. > > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The%20Case%20Against%20LA > > This suggestion is reasonable, but it has two disadvantages: > > 1) {la.} is longer and a bit harder to pronounce than {la} if used > with consonant-starting names. Boo hoo. > 2) You'll have to change the language. The language as it stands is demonstrably broken; all you have to do is turn to page iii of "What Is Lojban?" to see that. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.