From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Nov 13 12:59:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34950 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2006 20:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2006 20:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2006 20:56:57 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjikD-00072M-RP for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:49:29 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjijS-00070z-B8; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:48:47 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjij0-00070o-2G for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:48:14 -0800 Received: from web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.125]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gjiis-00070b-Vk for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:48:13 -0800 Received: (qmail 48817 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2006 20:48:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20061113204805.48815.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.237.213.146] by web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:48:05 PST Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:48:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20061113201734.GE24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-archive-position: 13100 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=rV5-OrK_r6lwhgOHAc2OZYKxGQRdME9m-M7u_RW4fVeXMPdNDw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27533 --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 10:33:04AM -0800, John E Clifford wrote: > > Will someone please remind me what horrible things happen if we > > simply drop the restriction on cmene and make no other changes > > (that is, live as we do now -- with no reported problems). We > > might take a vocative as a sumti or, less likely, a sumti as a > > vocative. > > We lose audio-visual isomorphism; la .stivn.laitl. would sound like > "la stivn lai tl". I don't see this one: lastIvn.lAItl. is letter perfect for the pronunciation. The problem seems, at worst, to be that of lexing the stream: {lastIvn lAItl} may be a vocative or calling to Lasteven or it may be a sumti (as apparently intended) (Of course, I wonder whether we remember that obligatory pause in the middle (we don't at least as often as we do, I'd say on the basis of limited observation). (I don't think the {lAItl} can be read as a sumti {lai tl}). > > Clearly, humans sort these out, shouldn't the parser do > > so as well? > > ... > > Short answer: "No; machine recognition of ambiguous languages is > AI-hard." But here the range of ambiguity is so small as to allow a short dirty run through alternatives -- or so it seems intuitively. > -Robin > > -- > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" > Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.