From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Nov 05 07:45:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1227 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2006 15:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2006 15:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2006 15:41:50 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ggk6Z-0005ka-2O for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 07:40:15 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ggk62-0005jY-LF; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 07:39:47 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 05 Nov 2006 07:39:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ggk5a-0005jD-9P for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 07:39:14 -0800 Received: from smtp.mail.umich.edu ([141.211.93.160] helo=skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ggk5U-0005j5-Fq for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 07:39:14 -0800 Received: FROM [141.213.221.81] (bursley-221-81.reshall.umich.edu [141.213.221.81]) BY skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 454E055F.62F5D.17126 ; 5 Nov 2006 10:38:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <20061104223742.90657.qmail@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--249721181 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 10:37:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 12908 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Alex Martini From: Alex Martini Reply-To: alexjm@umich.edu Subject: [lojban] Re: coirodo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=Nt0bd1YSEiqbHoNo-a5M2Ine8cu4Hp0vaE8hvgasCi-C4XstYA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27348 --Apple-Mail-10--249721181 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To my knowledge, most or all of Lojban is public domain. Why don't we start with a sort of road map; figure out key vocab and grammar? Then we can decide order. Or just borrow order from Lojban for Beginners, bearing in mind the byfy changes to the grammar since then. Honestly, I think it would be a good idea to just have a standard level division of Lojban. Similar to how we have Spanish 1 - 5 classes. Sort of break Lojban vocabulary and grammar up into 4 or 5 grades, and standardize from there. I'd help put together lessons as well, though my graphic skills aren't much. mu'omi'e aleks On Nov 5, 2006, at 4:44 AM, Andrii (lOkadin) Zvorygin wrote: > You want to start on that project? I don't know what licenses of > the CLL and the LFB are, but hopefully they are creative-commons > compatible. We could probably at least make a transitional lojban > document. Where you start in english and as you introduce new > concepts you apply them right away. like maybe introduce grammar > first, so use lojban placement using english words, and just show > how that would work. and substitute in vocabulary words as you see > fit. I'm sure you've already thought of this. If you'd like to go > ahead with it, I'd be happy to help .ui > > On 11/4/06, Jon MacLeod wrote: > I agree, it is very cool. It kinda reminded me os Dr. Suess' "One > Fish, Two > Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish". > > We need more things like that- The pictures were very helpful, plus > there's the > great part- anyone who looks at something like the presentation on > that site > will /immediately/ know what blanu, finpe, and such mean, > regardless of > language. > > I've always felt that what the Lojban community needs, or at least, > should > eventually develop, is a Lojban teaching resource entirely in > Lojban, which > starts simply, such as the site's "coi rodo", giving a person the > needed > vocabulary be able to learn the rest as defined in terms of Lojban. > > I can read Lojban texts fairly well, but I still have to refer to my > Lojban-English dictionary to actually /understand/ it, and my > reason is because > I'm having a difficult time remembering what the freaking words / > mean/. > (Although I doubt I'll ever forget blanu, xunre, or finpe are again.) > > --- Chris Double wrote: > > > I did a google search for lojban today and noticed a nifty ad on the > > right hand side taking me to the very cool: > > > > http://coirodo.com > > > > I've not seen it mentioned here before so thought I'd bring it > up. It's nice! > > > > Chris. > > -- > > http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list- > request@lojban.org > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/ > lsg2/, or if > > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > > > > > > -Jon Jones > > "I have a brain, I've just lost my mind." -Ian McLeod > > "As a percentage of total universal knowledge, what I know is > statistically insignificant." - me > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version 3.12 > GCS>$ d+(++) s++:-- a- C++ UL P L++>+++++ !E W+(++) N+ o? K- !w---- > O- M-(+)@ V? PS+++ PE- Y+ PGP- t+ !5-- X(+) R+ !tv-- b+++ DI+ D+ G > e* h+* r+(++) y+(++) > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on > the New Yahoo.com > ( http://www.yahoo.com/preview) > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list- > request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, > or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > > > > -- > ta'o(by the way) We With You Network at: http://lokiworld.org .i(and) > more on Lojban: http://lojban.org > mu'oimi'e lOkadin (Over, my name is lOkadin) --Apple-Mail-10--249721181 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
To my knowledge, most or all of Lojb= an is public domain.

=
Why don't we start with a sort of road map; figure out key vocab and g= rammar? Then we can decide order. Or just borrow order from Lojban for Begi= nners, bearing in mind the byfy changes to the grammar since then.

Honestly, I think it wou= ld be a good idea to just have a standard level division of Lojban.=A0Simil= ar to how we have Spanish 1 - 5 classes. Sort of break Lojban vocabulary an= d grammar up into 4 or 5 grades, and standardize from there.

I'd help put together lessons = as well, though my graphic skills aren't much.

mu'omi'e aleks

On Nov 5, = 2006, at 4:44 AM, Andrii (lOkadin) Zvorygin wrote:

You want to start on that pr= oject? I don't know what licenses of the CLL and the LFB are, but hopefully= they are creative-commons compatible.=A0 We could probably at least make a= transitional lojban document. Where you start in english and as you introd= uce new concepts you apply them right away. like maybe introduce grammar fi= rst, so use lojban placement using english words, and just show how that wo= uld work.=A0 and substitute in vocabulary words as you see fit. I'm sure yo= u've already thought of this. If you'd like to go ahead with it, I'd=A0 be = happy to help .ui

On 11/4/06, Jon MacLeod <eye_onus@yahoo.com> wrote:
I agree, it is very cool. It kinda reminde= d me os Dr. Suess' "One Fish, Two
Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish".

We = need more things like that- The pictures were very helpful, plus there's th= e
great part- anyone who looks at something like the presentation on tha= t site
will /immediately/ know what blanu, finpe, and such mean, regard= less of
language.

I've always felt that what the Lojban community= needs, or at least, should
eventually develop, is a Lojban teaching res= ource entirely in Lojban, which
starts simply, such as the site's "coi = rodo", giving a person the needed
vocabulary be able to learn the rest a= s defined in terms of Lojban.

I can read Lojban texts fairly well, b= ut I still have to refer to my
Lojban-English dictionary to actually /u= nderstand/ it, and my reason is because
I'm having a difficult time reme= mbering what the freaking words /mean/.
(Although I doubt I'll ever forg= et blanu, xunre, or finpe are again.)

--- Chris Double <chris.double@double.co.nz> wro= te:

> I did a google search for lojban today and noticed a nifty = ad on the
> right hand side taking me to the very=A0=A0cool:
>=
> http://coirodo.com
>
&= gt; I've not seen it mentioned here before so thought I'd bring it up. It's= nice!
>
> Chris.
> --
> http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz
>
>
> To= unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> with the subjec= t unsubscribe, or go to http://www.= lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
&g= t;
>


-Jon Jones

"I have a brain, I've just lost my= mind." -Ian McLeod

"As a percentage of total universal knowledge, w= hat I know is statistically insignificant." - me

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more on Lojban: http://lojban.org
mu'oimi'e lOkadin (Over, my name is lOkadin= )

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