From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Dec 02 19:54:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54307 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2006 03:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2006 03:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.66.169) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2006 03:50:17 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GqiJj-0001Kl-ME for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:47:03 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GqiHW-0001Iz-5M; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:44:50 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GqiH3-0001Ih-FP for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:44:17 -0800 Received: from web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.124]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GqiH0-0001Ia-1E for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:44:17 -0800 Received: (qmail 59152 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2006 03:44:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kI2gOWoVM1lN4utiw5Cn0OuEibG.t9zrFJvu5SfGAFrfMzKd_sS3ZAwzkDAPuJQaHrbMG34fvjO_oSwdtYdBayUEaqaQFWp.Mks4152LPS4V211fjStrPkBVKlQsg1pgAR6ud5UjZGjKkrY- Received: from [70.237.196.59] by web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:44:09 PST Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:44:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <457238F3.1070906@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <413592.58564.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-archive-position: 13294 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.66.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: (no subject)/Borges X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=_7L_656k4A1EEiBUjLmtKmZU_0Rwp73ZgAs1U1xHZz5yogJM3A X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27732 One time for writing ASL, it was Labonotation and Stokoe's (that is almost surely not spelled right) alphabetic handcode. That one fell through, I think, as have most since -- at lweast in terms of acceptance by anyone who looks official. (the guy who ran the Language Creation Conference last spring is working on yet another version -- this for his own sign language, of course.) --- Pierre Abbat wrote: > Bob LeChevalier wrote: > > Arika Okrent wrote: > >> example, the speaker of Guugu Yimidhirr has no way to express his > >> particular metaphysics in Loglan because Loglan spatial reference is > >> defined with respect to the speaker, and not, as in his own language, > >> with respect to an absolute reference frame. > > > > > > I won't pretend to know that language, but I suspect that if someone > > figured out how it worked, we would find a way to express it in Lojban > > (we would need to ask pc, who was our expert on strange tense systems, > > if it was already considered). > > There's already a link to the future article about that language - look > at [[kanguru]]. Want to write it? > > > The real test might be if someone tries to express all of the features > > and assumptions of sign language into Lojban. This was something that > > came up once (I'm assuming it wasn't you - the person, whose name I > > can't remember, but s/he was especially interested written > > transcriptions of sign language, I think based on choreography notation > > - seemed to think Lojban could meet the challenge, if in no other way by > > coming up with verbal representations of written sign language). You > > may be in a better position to evaluate, having examined sign language > > linguistically. > > Are you thinking of Sign Writing / Sutton Movement Writing? > > phma > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.