From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Dec 10 14:50:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16461 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 22:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2006 22:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.66.169) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 22:50:51 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GtXSK-0001bH-7y for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:47:36 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GtXRC-0001YG-Qy; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:46:32 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:46:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GtXQj-0001Xe-Cf for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:45:57 -0800 Received: from smtp01.domeneshop.no ([194.63.248.15] helo=lakepoint.domeneshop.no) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GtXQd-0001XL-Dv for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:45:57 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([84.52.247.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by lakepoint.domeneshop.no (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBAMjmFB026031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:45:48 +0100 Message-ID: <457C8E1C.1020605@bommelibom.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:45:48 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061115) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-archive-position: 13330 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: einar@bommelibom.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.66.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Einar Faanes From: Einar Faanes Reply-To: einar@bommelibom.com Subject: [lojban] Further lujvo hunt: Class society/classless society X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=CXpola6ExFUKHQIQCSXSt7YnluHg_yCiEb11UnwU8-nYqoCL8w X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27768 coi rodo I'm continuing to try to construct lujvo. And now it is "class society" and "classless society" which is under the toolkit. This is what I've come up with so far. Would be nice if people which know this far better than me take a look at it. Class society klesi: k1 (mass/si'o) is a class/category/subgroup/subset within k2 with defining property k3 (ka) jecta: j1 is a polity/state governing territory/domain j2; [government/territory relationship] (klesi jecta) k2=j1, k3 is removed kleje'a: j1=k2 is a polity/state with class/category/subgroup k1 governing territory j2 Classless society would probably be {nalkleje'a}: j1=k2 is not a polity/state with class/category/subgroup k1 governing territory j2. >>From the definition it feels wrong since it IS a political community, but without classes. Is there a way to negate just {klesi}, or is there other solutions. mu'omi'e .ainar. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.