From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jan 05 09:34:55 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:34:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H2sxe-0000vu-5E for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:34:34 -0800 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H2sxV-0000vE-Td for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:34:33 -0800 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so13174983nfb for ; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:34:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lPlo5XKxEJFePW597zRElYfLlRLdbimCH7TjUP/71B+pHWpYw75YZGGJ1Dzan1KQ2MF3AjuOoOY0lscuHFk124CB3l8t0Ryda7RGivGWc+s4UuUrKh6nxxlFJlMa5LBAYbaLXbAzwz7WcgHbb0uGrdPWj0hY+fP3xsU2BAzSaSM= Received: by 10.82.183.19 with SMTP id g19mr1920106buf.1168018462420; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.115.20 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:34:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560701050934yc0c5158w7d06fb2f916dc9a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:34:22 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Duty, promice etc... In-Reply-To: <95093.56426.qm@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3ccac5f10701050608x71a6381p89a54e54e2239e65@mail.gmail.com> <95093.56426.qm@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 13492 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 1/5/07, John E Clifford wrote: > As for the English, the words "promise" and "duty" are polysemous, > covering the making of the promise, what is promised and some > abstraction (don't we have a generic abstraction operator? Yes, {su'u}) > which combines what is promised with the whole network of conditions > which making a promise calls into being. This last is probably best > summed up in "the sate of being obligated to do whatever by virtue of a > promise". Could you give examples where the English "promise" means anything other than what is promised, {lo se nupre}? Can it really be used for the act of making a promise or for the state one is in after making a promise? Could you say: "He was chewing gum during his promise" or "I can't do that because I'm in a promise"? Same for "duty". Except for it meaning "tax", when does it mean anything other than {lo se bilga}? mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.