From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jan 06 11:24:55 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:24:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H3H9d-0002Za-8q for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:24:33 -0800 Received: from web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.124]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H3H9Y-0002ZQ-NT for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:24:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 73554 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2007 19:24:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=aH3DP4eiRHjRyu5dgWryZyU/xzjOoNCJqHKOfZ5Br6NEbj81xek8T6ZdElVtjaYZoczy84hq9QNYkX4+y0SXHOTDD6ieWHUzGJz4OKu1JipLw+hdoq9in++EcD3q5Pa1olh4ZtY8zTiymE2FLVpyfS4QA28iAYVL/pakAU3It/E=; X-YMail-OSG: npqIbjoVM1mA6ABVJqM2XGo8fCC3SB._TmE8dg_ObITfLCyBgcmviP2x0k_uipUL3g-- Received: from [70.237.196.59] by web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:24:22 PST Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 11:24:22 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: Duty, promice etc... To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <925d17560701060757o1c0b3914w2f28416a2858cb29@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <611088.72555.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 X-Spam-Score-Int: -6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13520 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list To sum up: There does not yet seem to be a Lojban expression which refers to what English "promise" refers to in "make/keep/break a promise?" In particular, {lo se nupre} does not work (nor for any other English use of "promise," for that matter). On the other hand, all of the expressions that use "promise" can be rendered without loss into Lojban, in expressions which usually do use {lo se nupre}. The same remarks apply to "obligation" and {lo se bilga} and presumably to most expressions in this deontic area ("duty" was mentioned earlier as well). I don't really think that there is a lot of point -- now, any how -- finding a Lojban expression for these nominal uses of "promise" since we can always say what is intended using a different idiom strategy and the kinds of controversy such a search would involve are irrelevant to the Lojban project (so far as I can see). To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.