From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Jan 10 04:42:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39798 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 12:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2007 12:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2007 12:42:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 19576 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2007 12:42:09 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 10 Jan 2007 12:42:09 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H4cmM-0002k5-PN for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:42:07 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H4clv-0002hb-4a; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:41:44 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H4ckG-0002gk-40 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:39:56 -0800 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.186]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H4ck8-0002gU-5v for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:39:55 -0800 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so823219nfb for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.41.12 with SMTP id t12mr1141972nfj.1168432786532; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.9.12 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:39:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560701100439x3f4e2c9ape3464d1c8989ab7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:39:46 -0300 In-Reply-To: <3ccac5f10701100212n320914b0x651953e5b926fb2b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3ccac5f10701100212n320914b0x651953e5b926fb2b@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 13534 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 1/10/07, Cyril Slobin wrote: > What does the sentence {mi kakne lonu mi catra ro remna} mean? > > 1) "I can devastate the whole Earth" > 2) "I can kill any one man of my choice, but then I probably will be > arrested and not able to kill the second, the third etc..." [...] Content analysis details: (-2.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: "any" and "every" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=CYpynvIJkdxpfz8pf1bzQ7CVghT9nXDkf0QIxYj6jFW4qNvPAg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27974 On 1/10/07, Cyril Slobin wrote: > What does the sentence {mi kakne lonu mi catra ro remna} mean? > > 1) "I can devastate the whole Earth" > 2) "I can kill any one man of my choice, but then I probably will be > arrested and not able to kill the second, the third etc..." To make the difference explicitly: 1) mi kakne lo nu ro da poi remna zo'u mi catra da 2) ro da poi remna zo'u mi kakne lo nu mi catra da > I think the right answer is second, and for the first one one needs > {mi kakne lonu mi catra piro loi remna}, but I am not sure. Any > comments? I think when a quantifier is not put explicitly in a prenex, it is assumed to be in the most immediate one, so it would be (1), but in any case you can always make it explicit. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.