From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Jan 05 06:27:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43844 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 14:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2007 14:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 14:19:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 29446 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 14:19:14 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Jan 2007 14:19:14 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H2puZ-00041k-9J for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:19:11 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H2pu5-0003x8-6Z; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:18:47 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:17:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H2prw-0003v0-KQ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:16:34 -0800 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.230]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H2prM-0003sm-NZ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:16:22 -0800 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i4so901353wra for ; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.79.6 with SMTP id c6mr723112agb.1168006138456; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.31.16 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 06:08:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3ccac5f10701050608x71a6381p89a54e54e2239e65@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:08:58 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 300bc1f9a8c99495 X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Score-Int: -23 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 13487 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: slobin@ice.ru X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.4 X-Spam-Score-Int: -23 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: coi rodo How to translate nouns like "duty" or "promise"? Or, more precise, how to translate sentences like "She does her duty" or "He breaks his promise"? I believe the answer has something to do with "bilga" and "nupre", but what exactly? "le se nupre" is "what is promised", not promise itself. Promise is not an event ("le nu nupre"), not a statement ("le du'u nupre"), it is something else. But what? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Cyril Slobin" From: "Cyril Slobin" Reply-To: slobin@ice.ru Subject: [lojban] Duty, promice etc... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=hnYSR46b1GEwzZQxl2QgdlzrWNz0WjvKUIQQwFXWj8ECD2KZjA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27927 coi rodo How to translate nouns like "duty" or "promise"? Or, more precise, how to translate sentences like "She does her duty" or "He breaks his promise"? I believe the answer has something to do with "bilga" and "nupre", but what exactly? "le se nupre" is "what is promised", not promise itself. Promise is not an event ("le nu nupre"), not a statement ("le du'u nupre"), it is something else. But what? ... Veni narratum i quentam mirabilem vobis ... -- Cyril Slobin To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.