From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Jan 06 03:46:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6086 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 11:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2007 11:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 11:43:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 8373 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 11:40:14 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 6 Jan 2007 11:40:14 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H39u8-0003SU-Hk for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:40:07 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H39tB-0003RP-H6; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:39:17 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H39rN-0003Qx-NQ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:37:16 -0800 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.236]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H39qx-0003Q9-FH for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:37:03 -0800 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so10310865wxd for ; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:36:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.115.4 with SMTP id n4mr1270913agc.1168083406182; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:36:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.31.16 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 03:36:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3ccac5f10701060336x59fc8a89j1eefc6ea85f9dae9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 14:36:46 +0300 In-Reply-To: <925d17560701051231y30cacef5yd2e3faa430ca3833@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560701050934yc0c5158w7d06fb2f916dc9a@mail.gmail.com> <20070105191524.79889.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560701051158t3d29fec1n8afb2e76c7f41924@mail.gmail.com> <3ccac5f10701051206yeb150cdv8e2274c26fc8eb2a@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560701051212p7e95aa4bia6a5f968d1ea4426@mail.gmail.com> <3ccac5f10701051225x3cbc6444se866ee2b39fa7c9e@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560701051231y30cacef5yd2e3faa430ca3833@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3ce33acb432a8c34 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 13517 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: slobin@ice.ru X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: coi xorxes > But it is {lo se bilga} that are the obligations, not {lo nu se bilga}. > For example, giving you a bicycle might be my obligation, > my being obliged to give you a bicycle is not my obligation. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.0 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Cyril Slobin" From: "Cyril Slobin" Reply-To: slobin@ice.ru Subject: [lojban] Re: Duty, promice etc... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=rspHIWNnI6ePuGL2FYk7QSCkcnXaU86EIcx3FXafDO8D73E2Jw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27956 coi xorxes > But it is {lo se bilga} that are the obligations, not {lo nu se bilga}. > For example, giving you a bicycle might be my obligation, > my being obliged to give you a bicycle is not my obligation. Oh, THAT is the point. I believe that there is an important concept of "my being obliged to give you a bicycle", whether or not it is expressed by English word "obligation". And "giving you a bicycle" is, er, the content, the result of dereferincing, the thing pointed by the thing that I, by the lack of better word, call "obligation". ... CEKPETHOCTb 3AKOHOMEPHA, HO HEECTECTBEHHA ... -- Cyril Slobin To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.