From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Jan 02 20:40:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6456 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2007 04:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2007 04:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2007 04:37:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 2204 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2007 04:35:59 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 3 Jan 2007 04:35:59 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H1xr2-0007tD-JH for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:35:57 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H1xqS-0007qo-17; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:35:27 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H1xp8-0007qV-J6 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:33:59 -0800 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.248]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H1xp3-0007pv-2I for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:33:58 -0800 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so1517830ana for ; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.93.5 with SMTP id q5mr2348921anb.1167798831250; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from thebee ( [71.196.217.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c40sm25180694anc.2007.01.02.20.33.49; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:33:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:33:46 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c72ef0$5c6462e0$6601a8c0@hq.squarei.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C72EB5.B0058AE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Accu7N5LCJRXut70TduyyNDKDc3KxAAAjx2Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: -20 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 13465 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matthew.dunlap@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: -21 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Clearly I don't, because as far as I can tell lojban doesn't have a mandatory mechanism for total elimination of misunderstandings, a single being working alone hardly needs language, and everything the military can do is subject to downright totalitarian amounts of bureaucracy (which, itself, is a mechanism to help prevent misunderstandings). But if not that, what did you think I meant by "everything they can"? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.4 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "M@" From: "M@" Reply-To: matthew.dunlap@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Military language X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=nVBWbn6DNljBjX_l1gOfjs1RFf0FmmZ13z5xBNm1h58y-y-9fg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27905 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C72EB5.B0058AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clearly I don't, because as far as I can tell lojban doesn't have a mandatory mechanism for total elimination of misunderstandings, a single being working alone hardly needs language, and everything the military can do is subject to downright totalitarian amounts of bureaucracy (which, itself, is a mechanism to help prevent misunderstandings). But if not that, what did you think I meant by "everything they can"? --M@ _____ From: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Fen Fen Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:07 PM To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Military language li'o Of course, there can still be misunderstandings, if there is interference and the word 'na' doesn't come through out of "ko na daspo le ckule" bad things would probably happen. And that does cost lives, but the military is doing everything they can to establish protocols to prevent that kind of thing from happening. --M@ "Everything they can" is interesting. li'a You can't teach Lojban to a million or so people--they have a hard enough time getting Arabic speakers. "Everything they can" means you don't get the idea behind Lojban. A single, transhumanistic, sentient being, could take on the Earth and win. 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Clearly I don’t, because as far = as I can tell lojban doesn’t have a mandatory mechanism for total eliminat= ion of misunderstandings, a single being working alone hardly needs language, a= nd everything the military can do is subject to downright totalitarian amounts of bureauc= racy (which, itself, is a mechanism to help prevent misunderstandings).  Bu= t if not that, what did you think I meant by “everything they can”?<= o:p>

 

--M@

 

From: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Fen Fen
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2= 007 9:07 PM
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Subject: [lojban] Re: Milita= ry language

 

li'o

 

Of course, there can still be misunderstandings, if there is interference and the word ‘na’ doesn’t come through out of “ko na daspo le ckule” bad th= ings would probably happen.  And that does cost lives, but the military is doing everything they can to establish protocols to prevent that kind of th= ing from happening.

 

 

--M@

"Everything they can" is interesting. li'a You can't teach Lojban to a million or so people--they ha= ve a hard enough time getting Arabic speakers.

 

"Everything they can" means = you don't get the idea behind Lojban. A single, transhumanistic, sentient being= , could take on the Earth and win. I don't see that they are doing "everything they can".=

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