From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Jan 02 08:52:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86256 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 16:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 16:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.5) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 16:38:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 6215 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 16:38:19 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 2 Jan 2007 16:38:18 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H1meV-0006v9-Em for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 08:38:16 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H1mdx-0006rF-Vj; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 08:37:48 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 02 Jan 2007 08:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H1mat-0006qJ-UN for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 08:34:43 -0800 Received: from silene.metacarta.com ([65.77.47.18]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H1maS-0006pk-Re for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 08:34:27 -0800 Received: from localhost (silene.metacarta.com [65.77.47.18]) by silene.metacarta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C1914C8172 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from silene.metacarta.com ([65.77.47.18]) by localhost (silene.metacarta.com [65.77.47.18]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30682-05 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [65.77.47.178] (cheyenne.metacarta.com [65.77.47.178]) by silene.metacarta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC2714C8168 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:33:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <459A8966.9030207@ropine.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 11:33:42 -0500 User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20060926) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3ccac5f10612310356p6424a233h6e8fe1af02ca85d5@mail.gmail.com> <459814F5.7030709@gmail.com> <86fyaw4b8h.fsf@timothyscomp.hobbsnet> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at metacarta.com X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 13453 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sethg@ropine.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Andrii (lOkadin) Zvorygin wrote: > > I'm not sure if you are aware, but all of you have an advantage over > natural language speakers. Ambiguous languages can define vaguely what > you are thinking about. Logical languages define precisly what you are > thinking about. That means that the majority of the time, natural > language speakers are forced to be confused about what they mean. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.0 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Seth Gordon From: Seth Gordon Reply-To: sethg@ropine.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Mass Lojban Conversion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=97zBEYSZKBu2ynNkpzmgzFWrZMIeXDHE4wHQVsvUzohBIQDTgw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27893 Andrii (lOkadin) Zvorygin wrote: > > I'm not sure if you are aware, but all of you have an advantage over > natural language speakers. Ambiguous languages can define vaguely what > you are thinking about. Logical languages define precisly what you are > thinking about. That means that the majority of the time, natural > language speakers are forced to be confused about what they mean. I agree with what M@ and John Clifford have said above. If the guy sitting in the cubicle next to me exclaims "Windows crashed on me again!", I am not for one millisecond going to think that he was struck by falling panes of glass. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.