From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Jan 05 09:54:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7365 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 17:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2007 17:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 17:48:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 27870 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 17:47:20 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Jan 2007 17:47:20 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H2t9x-00019h-Uo for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:47:18 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H2t9Z-00018H-Nj; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:47:01 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H2t8L-00017Y-81 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:45:47 -0800 Received: from silene.metacarta.com ([65.77.47.18]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H2t81-000177-Ij for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:45:32 -0800 Received: from localhost (silene.metacarta.com [65.77.47.18]) by silene.metacarta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1606714C80FE for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from silene.metacarta.com ([65.77.47.18]) by localhost (silene.metacarta.com [65.77.47.18]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30306-10 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [65.77.47.178] (cheyenne.metacarta.com [65.77.47.178]) by silene.metacarta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97D514C810B for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:44:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <459E8E80.1060107@ropine.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:44:32 -0500 User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20060926) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3ccac5f10701050608x71a6381p89a54e54e2239e65@mail.gmail.com> <95093.56426.qm@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560701050934yc0c5158w7d06fb2f916dc9a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560701050934yc0c5158w7d06fb2f916dc9a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at metacarta.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 13493 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sethg@ropine.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 1/5/07, John E Clifford wrote: > >> As for the English, the words "promise" and "duty" are polysemous, >> covering the making of the promise, what is promised and some >> abstraction (don't we have a generic abstraction operator? Yes, {su'u}) >> which combines what is promised with the whole network of conditions >> which making a promise calls into being. This last is probably best >> summed up in "the sate of being obligated to do whatever by virtue of a >> promise". > > > Could you give examples where the English "promise" means anything > other than what is promised, {lo se nupre}? Can it really be used for the > act of making a promise or for the state one is in after making a promise? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.0 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Seth Gordon From: Seth Gordon Reply-To: sethg@ropine.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Duty, promice etc... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=oTfRHiMtzItHRxOuHhuGspnHHMD05QethVAvufm8KvAZ9FMnag X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27933 Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 1/5/07, John E Clifford wrote: > >> As for the English, the words "promise" and "duty" are polysemous, >> covering the making of the promise, what is promised and some >> abstraction (don't we have a generic abstraction operator? Yes, {su'u}) >> which combines what is promised with the whole network of conditions >> which making a promise calls into being. This last is probably best >> summed up in "the sate of being obligated to do whatever by virtue of a >> promise". > > > Could you give examples where the English "promise" means anything > other than what is promised, {lo se nupre}? Can it really be used for the > act of making a promise or for the state one is in after making a promise? "Fred promised to give me a bicycle. Fred broke his promise." Fred did not break the bicycle; rather, he acted in a way that was inconsistent with the state of having made a promise. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.