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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 1/8/07, Cyril Slobin wrote: > > I am not sure, whether {ba'o broda} implies success or not, but even > if it does, success may be undone shortly thereafter. I think {ba'o} by itself would not indicate completion. We have for the termination point itself the three possibilities: [...] Content analysis details: (-2.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Duty, promice etc... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=s3QCfe7JBHt4KTEKjhgIEzHZpOwTgU5o-3ypxv5EuMaFz_7tsw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27975 On 1/8/07, Cyril Slobin wrote: > > I am not sure, whether {ba'o broda} implies success or not, but even > if it does, success may be undone shortly thereafter. I think {ba'o} by itself would not indicate completion. We have for the termination point itself the three possibilities: mo'u broda (completion) de'a broda (non-completion) co'u broda (indeterminate for completion) I would say {ba'o mo'u broda} is the situation after completion, {ba'o de'a broda} is the situation after ceasing without completion, and {ba'o co'u broda} = {ba'o broda} is not determined either way. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.