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Please don't comment until you at least get the spirit of Lojban. > From: matthew.dunlap@gmail.com> To: lojban-list@lojban.org> Subject: [lojban] Re: Duty, promice etc...> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 08:16:47 -0700> > I don't see why le nupre can't be the translation of (noun)promise...> > mi porpi le nupre> > I break the promise> > Am I missing something (I certainly wouldn't be surprised, I'm still pretty> crino).> > --M@> > Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.3 FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD Forged hotmail.com 'Received:' header found 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.2 DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE RBL: Envelope sender in abuse.rfc-ignorant.org 1.7 DNS_FROM_RFC_POST RBL: Envelope sender in postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org 0.7 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Fen Fen From: Fen Fen Reply-To: fen141@msn.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Duty, promice etc... 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Please don't comment until you at least get the spir= it of Lojban. > From: matthew.dunlap@gmail.com> To: lojban-list@lojban.org> Subject: [loj= ban] Re: Duty, promice etc...> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 08:16:47 -0700> > I do= n't see why le nupre can't be the translation of (noun)promise...> > mi por= pi le nupre> > I break the promise> > Am I missing something (I certainly w= ouldn't be surprised, I'm still pretty> crino).> > --M@> > -----Original Me= ssage-----> From: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-list-bounce@= lojban.org]> On Behalf Of Cyril Slobin> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 7:09= AM> To: Lojban List> Subject: [lojban] Duty, promice etc...> > coi rodo> >= How to translate nouns like "duty" or "promise"? Or, more precise, how> to= translate sentences like "She does her duty" or "He breaks his> promise"? = I believe the answer has something to do with "bilga" and> "nupre", but wha= t exactly? "le se nupre" is "what is promised", not> promise itself. 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> From: matthew.dunlap@gmail.com
> To: lojban-list@lojban.org
&= gt; Subject: [lojban] Re: Duty, promice etc...
> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 200= 7 08:16:47 -0700
>
> I don't see why le nupre can't be the tra= nslation of (noun)promise...
>
> mi porpi le nupre
> > I break the promise
>
> Am I missing something (I certai= nly wouldn't be surprised, I'm still pretty
> crino).
>
>= ; --M@
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lojban-lis= t-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org]
> On Behal= f Of Cyril Slobin
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 7:09 AM
> To= : Lojban List
> Subject: [lojban] Duty, promice etc...
>
&g= t; coi rodo
>
> How to translate nouns like "duty" or "promise= "? Or, more precise, how
> to translate sentences like "She does her = duty" or "He breaks his
> promise"? I believe the answer has somethin= g to do with "bilga" and
> "nupre", but what exactly? "le se nupre" i= s "what is promised", not
> promise itself. Promise is not an event (= "le nu nupre"), not a
> statement ("le du'u nupre"), it is something = else. But what?
>
> ... Veni narratum i quentam mirabilem vobi= s ...
>
> --
> Cyril Slobin <lj user=3D"slobin"><= BR>>
>
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