From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Jan 08 06:53:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6344 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2007 14:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2007 14:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2007 14:41:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 22889 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2007 14:41:31 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 8 Jan 2007 14:41:31 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H3vgk-0006Uv-9w for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:41:28 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H3vgF-0006Qz-5O; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:41:02 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H3ve8-0006QL-LQ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:38:46 -0800 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.231]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H3ve2-0006PZ-14 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:38:44 -0800 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i20so2866656wra for ; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.29.2 with SMTP id c2mr2046335agc.1168266703396; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.31.6 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:31:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3ccac5f10701080631i108f5020le78e07397c04f080@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:31:43 +0300 In-Reply-To: <925d17560701071322l28145cb7u46eaa75b9255c71d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560701060757o1c0b3914w2f28416a2858cb29@mail.gmail.com> <611088.72555.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560701070458t7243c3a0n2368d08b771cd615@mail.gmail.com> <3ccac5f10701070552o6995a1fetce44cc0fd724ee82@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560701070904g78dba657j8a8510465d3c1cc7@mail.gmail.com> <3ccac5f10701071208j3249b18ao83185aad8a3fdd5e@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560701071322l28145cb7u46eaa75b9255c71d@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: fbbc90abe979668d X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 13526 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: slobin@ice.ru X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: coi xorxes > > I opine {nupre} is "to make/give a promise". I opine this is different > > concept from "being bound by a promice". Second is > > implied/motivated/justified by first, but is not the same. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Cyril Slobin" From: "Cyril Slobin" Reply-To: slobin@ice.ru Subject: [lojban] Re: Duty, promice etc... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=pexvp9ihVzyH_bkrmF6lVotAVaZXElTQQL6oSTHuj0Mn-b-Dsw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27965 coi xorxes > > I opine {nupre} is "to make/give a promise". I opine this is different > > concept from "being bound by a promice". Second is > > implied/motivated/justified by first, but is not the same. > Ah, right. So {nupybilga} is closer to {ba'o nupre}, the situation > that ensues in the aftermath of making a promise. I think it is still not the same. If I have break my computer, then surely {my ba'o pofygau le mi skami}, but not necessary {le mi skami cu ca ca'a spofu} - it may be repaired thereafter. I am not sure, whether {ba'o broda} implies success or not, but even if it does, success may be undone shortly thereafter. ... 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