From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Jan 05 11:09:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18328 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 19:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2007 19:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 19:09:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 11477 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 19:09:15 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Jan 2007 19:09:15 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H2uRF-0003DY-I0 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:09:14 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H2uQs-0003CL-0f; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:08:58 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H2uPa-0003C6-J6 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:07:31 -0800 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.175]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H2uPS-0003By-Hc for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:07:29 -0800 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so5595707uge for ; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:07:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.111.8 with SMTP id j8mr2231981buc.1168024039855; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:07:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.115.20 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:07:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560701051107x61f57454x9dba1da1af8dfa2f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:07:19 -0300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3ccac5f10701050608x71a6381p89a54e54e2239e65@mail.gmail.com> <95093.56426.qm@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560701050934yc0c5158w7d06fb2f916dc9a@mail.gmail.com> <3ccac5f10701051012g4a37b11fnc22ce33e68d30747@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 13499 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 1/5/07, Jim Carter wrote: > > I can't resist this thread... "I promise to jump off Lover's Leap if you > don't marry me". If the response were "Your promise is silly", it could > reasonably be interpreted in all of the ways Cyril mentioned: > > "Jumping off Lover's Leap is silly" (but a careful speaker would say just > that, not using "your promise" to represent the event promised). [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.0 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Duty, promice etc... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=G_gLaTE2vhHnwJKCmqvD9Pw421d6YnwttamvcMiPEdl2z05D_A X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27938 On 1/5/07, Jim Carter wrote: > > I can't resist this thread... "I promise to jump off Lover's Leap if you > don't marry me". If the response were "Your promise is silly", it could > reasonably be interpreted in all of the ways Cyril mentioned: > > "Jumping off Lover's Leap is silly" (but a careful speaker would say just > that, not using "your promise" to represent the event promised). Yes: "Your promise, i.e. jumping off Lover's Leap if I don't marry you, is silly." > "Promising to jump off the cliff is silly". That's the best > interpretation. Really? "Your promise, i.e. promising to jump off the cliff if I don't marry you, is silly." That doexsn't sound right to me. Of course it can be inferred from "your promise is silly" that "your making such a silly promise is silly", but that's not what "your promise is silly" says directly, as far as I understand. > "Promising that, and then actually doing it, is even more silly". It is even more silly, I agree, but can you really say that "your promise is silly" means: "Your promise, i.e. promising to jump of the cliff, and then actually doing it, is silly." mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.