From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Jan 02 14:29:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96981 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 22:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2007 22:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2007 22:23:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 15753 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2007 22:22:51 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 2 Jan 2007 22:22:51 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H1s1x-0007Co-IG for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:22:50 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H1s1W-0007AM-Ca; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:22:29 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H1rzl-00079T-Q2 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:20:50 -0800 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.173]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H1rzY-00078k-5H for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:20:24 -0800 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so4820983uge for ; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.146.11 with SMTP id t11mr3475772hud.1167776399373; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.144.4 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:19:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:19:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: <000301c72eb0$d0ad0430$6601a8c0@hq.squarei.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000301c72eb0$d0ad0430$6601a8c0@hq.squarei.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 13457 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -24 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 1/2/07, M@ wrote: > Plus, the phrase "know precisely > what you're thinking about" seems redundant, it's never the case that I > don't know what I'm thinking about. I disagree. One of the most serious problems with critical thinking skills is the failure to have operating definitions for one's terms. It is difficult to answer a question if I don't know the meaning of the words used in the question. Then I literally don't know what I'm asking, which means "I don't know what I'm talking about" is true in the literal sense of that phrase. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Matt Arnold" From: "Matt Arnold" Reply-To: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Mass Lojban Conversion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=91_dLByjunKCjmMJMmMDnzfi8kRkEn8bQvAOanbSq2vvUU2YlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27897 On 1/2/07, M@ wrote: > Plus, the phrase "know precisely > what you're thinking about" seems redundant, it's never the case that I > don't know what I'm thinking about. I disagree. One of the most serious problems with critical thinking skills is the failure to have operating definitions for one's terms. It is difficult to answer a question if I don't know the meaning of the words used in the question. Then I literally don't know what I'm asking, which means "I don't know what I'm talking about" is true in the literal sense of that phrase. Ambiguity has its place, but is also out of place in a critical thinking context. Hitting a target, it helps for it to hold more or less still while you do so. A certain amount of ambiguity is inevitable, but it helps to limit it within what I might refer to, without stretching my metaphor too far, as a strike zone. -Matt To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.