From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Mar 19 10:59:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55802 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2007 17:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2007 17:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.7) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2007 17:59:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 3531 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2007 17:59:47 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 Mar 2007 17:59:47 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HTM91-0000TI-QM for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:59:44 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HTM8L-0000Rh-Fa; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:59:12 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HTM5y-0000RC-GP for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:56:35 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HTM5x-0000R5-Jp for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:56:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:56:33 -0700 Message-ID: <20070319175633.GG11567@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-archive-position: 13614 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -3.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: -29 X-Spam-Bar: --- To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Fwd: Russell's Anti-Paradox -- for translating to Lojban X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=_u5KCaeN7VbJQ9io8I-GMoit1xsatcBAAQieBdUjz91QkbkpUw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28061 On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 12:20:20PM -0400, Andrii (lOkadin) Zvorygin wrote: > The Russell's paradox has been around a long time. I really wonder > why no one has noticed that "barber shop" example is a false > analogy to the Universal Set. I won't get into the barbershop > example as it would only distract from the logic but I do have a > full thread There are at least 3 problems here: 1. This is utterly off topic; translate it into Lojban and I'd be more interested. Using "da" does not make it interesting. 2. You're using special magical characters that aren't in my UTF-8 font; since I've put a lot of effort into my UTF-8 setup, I can only assume that most people reading this get horrible mangling. Just use ASCII replacements for the notation like everybody else. 3. You've missed the point entirely. The *point* of Russell's paradox was to show a problem with *19th century* set theory. The fact that you, a student of modern set theory, can resolve it or show it not be a paradox simply means that Russell succeeded at fixing the problems he saw. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.