From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue May 08 15:26:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3922 invoked from network); 8 May 2007 22:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2007 22:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2007 22:26:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 7691 invoked from network); 8 May 2007 22:26:22 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 8 May 2007 22:26:22 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlY8R-0000MF-7X for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 May 2007 15:26:20 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlY7v-0000KB-GC; Tue, 08 May 2007 15:25:50 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 08 May 2007 15:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlY60-0000Jc-Nx for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 15:23:49 -0700 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.236]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlY5v-0000JV-Ry for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 15:23:47 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 12so2167012nzp for ; Tue, 08 May 2007 15:23:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=bTOnzUou/1ZblvaG+YETswVEIOVVwkkCRNkdm/RK9AduVYJ95/wTM9YILQi/i2OmmXyilfnP+SIuaS7+rcD2JbpH6x9ac9zpYBqBOeRsdC/aIgj+958rJLuQ+RPKer1za5hT+5tF/ktMYsaacc+GfYUPn1HVcoBJ9gl1StThQC8= Received: by 10.114.106.1 with SMTP id e1mr793249wac.1178663021049; Tue, 08 May 2007 15:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.109.12 with HTTP; Tue, 8 May 2007 15:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160705081523n2b3bf85fs4eb89caf0b38c318@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 18:23:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37201_8848201.1178663020971" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 426c8bdfd514cc5c X-Spam-Score: 0.9 X-Spam-Score-Int: 9 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13704 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.9 X-Spam-Score-Int: 9 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "komfo,amonan" From: "komfo,amonan" Reply-To: komfoamonan@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Cricket & fu'ivla X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=fZq_2Jz6XKmSHOihcmN0aCDD5D2G4RY0a5bAhIMXGZbac_Ui4w X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28163 ------=_Part_37201_8848201.1178663020971 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Off and on I muse on Lojbanic vocabulary for competitive games/sports. I'll float some musings out here & see what happens. I'm inclined to go with fu'ivla for the basic words, hence from jivna : x1 competes/vies with opponent x2 in contest/competition x3 (event) for gain x4; x1 rivals x2 one might derive the fu'ivla jivnrkriketi : x1 is-a-cricketer / plays-cricket Question 1: Does the x1 of a type-3 fu'ivla necessarily align with the x1 of the root gismu (jivna in this case)? Or is it defined by the coiner? Or? Question 2: Does a fu'ivla have oblique places? (I have spotted {se kelcrcaxmati} for "chess".) If so, do they align with the root gismu? Question 3: Can type-3 fu'ivla be derived from lujvo? (vlatai accepts {seljivnrkriketi} and rejects {bajyjivnrmaratono}) (Disclaimer: I don't like these, but I've seen them about.) mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ------=_Part_37201_8848201.1178663020971 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Off and on I muse on Lojbanic vocabulary for competitive games/sports. I'll float some musings out here & see what happens.

I'm inclined to go with fu'ivla for the basic words, hence from
jivna : x1 competes/vies with opponent x2 in contest/competition x3 (event) for gain x4; x1 rivals x2

one might derive the fu'ivla
jivnrkriketi : x1 is-a-cricketer / plays-cricket

Question 1: Does the x1 of a type-3 fu'ivla necessarily align with the x1 of the root gismu (jivna in this case)? Or is it defined by the coiner? Or?
 
Question 2: Does a fu'ivla have oblique places? (I have spotted {se kelcrcaxmati} for "chess".) If so, do they align with the root gismu?

Question 3: Can type-3 fu'ivla be derived from lujvo? (vlatai accepts {seljivnrkriketi} and rejects {bajyjivnrmaratono}) (Disclaimer: I don't like these, but I've seen them about.)

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
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