From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun May 13 12:22:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39936 invoked from network); 13 May 2007 19:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2007 19:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2007 19:22:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 7398 invoked from network); 13 May 2007 19:20:37 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 13 May 2007 19:20:37 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnJMr-00082m-VZ for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 13 May 2007 12:04:31 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnJL0-0007hN-2j; Sun, 13 May 2007 12:02:49 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 13 May 2007 12:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnJJZ-0007gW-Su for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 12:01:07 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnJJZ-0007gL-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 12:01:05 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:01:04 -0700 Message-ID: <20070513190104.GG16151@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20070513031708.GX16151@digitalkingdom.org> <20070513035539.GZ16151@digitalkingdom.org> <20070513140835.GE18621@nvg.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070513140835.GE18621@nvg.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-archive-position: 13714 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: jbovlaste natlang word voting question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=Xf9Zye_md6fNjdz5fIU6i-F4LH5AHfPCIOIZUOImTI0wtdUCBg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28172 On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 04:08:35PM +0200, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 08:55:39PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > Someone pointed out that you couldn't acutally derive that > > second place of sampli from its components, so I've corrected > > that. Try http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/ball instead > > for an example of multiple natlang usages; if the dictionary > > said something like "ball - first place of bolci, second place > > of selboi", would that be a bad thing? > > _In this particular case_ it would be a bad thing, because if we > already know that ball is the first place of bolci, then it is > kinda sorta tautological that it is the second place of selboi. > > But I do think it is a good idea to have the _possibility_ of > multiple Lojban word for one natlang word. A good example of why > this is necessary is: > > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/science fiction > > Here, there are two "live" definitions for "science fiction". More > are still languishing in Noralujv. All are subtly different, and > should be pointed to by the natlang entry for "science fiction". > But it does not make sense to split "science fiction" into > different senses, because it's not really polysemous. Having thought about it more, both of these cases can, and IMO should, be handled via modification of the definitions. That is, if ball == x2 of selboi shouldn't be in the dictionary, it shouldn't be in the definition either, because it's useless. That loses some information, I know. My question is, is that loss of information worth the interface streamlining of not having to vote for natlang words? Because the two-stage voting is, IMO, a PitA. -Robin To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.