From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon May 14 04:58:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93991 invoked from network); 14 May 2007 11:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2007 11:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2007 11:58:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 2901 invoked from network); 14 May 2007 11:55:00 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 14 May 2007 11:55:00 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnHmA-0005m2-6N for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 13 May 2007 10:22:30 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnHlg-0005hj-2G; Sun, 13 May 2007 10:22:02 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 13 May 2007 10:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnHkE-0005hP-D7 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 10:20:30 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnHkD-0005hE-PT for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 10:20:30 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 10:20:29 -0700 Message-ID: <20070513172029.GC16151@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20070513031708.GX16151@digitalkingdom.org> <20070513035539.GZ16151@digitalkingdom.org> <20070513140835.GE18621@nvg.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070513140835.GE18621@nvg.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-archive-position: 13713 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: jbovlaste natlang word voting question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=rzZcxvCZcJlEhsS1edtYkSDgAiIQfmz2d__0DO6bvTaLqhycqg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28174 On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 04:08:35PM +0200, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 08:55:39PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > Someone pointed out that you couldn't acutally derive that > > second place of sampli from its components, so I've corrected > > that. Try http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/ball instead > > for an example of multiple natlang usages; if the dictionary > > said something like "ball - first place of bolci, second place > > of selboi", would that be a bad thing? > > _In this particular case_ it would be a bad thing, because if we > already know that ball is the first place of bolci, then it is > kinda sorta tautological that it is the second place of selboi. There I definately disagree, because I'm an a fairly unique situation: my Lojban blog posts (http://camgusmis.livejournal.com/) get read by someone who doesn't know a bit of Lojban, and would find that not obvious in any way. It's her I tend to think about WRT dictionary design. > But I do think it is a good idea to have the _possibility_ of > multiple Lojban word for one natlang word. A good example of why > this is necessary is: > > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/science fiction > > Here, there are two "live" definitions for "science fiction". More > are still languishing in Noralujv. All are subtly different, and > should be pointed to by the natlang entry for "science fiction". > But it does not make sense to split "science fiction" into > different senses, because it's not really polysemous. (Devil's advocate) You could distinguish this with "science fiction; science based" and "science fiction; technology based". Is there a reason to avoid that? -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.