From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat May 12 23:50:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3596 invoked from network); 13 May 2007 06:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2007 06:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.4) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2007 06:50:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 11170 invoked from network); 13 May 2007 06:50:30 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 13 May 2007 06:50:30 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hn5D3-00063Y-Oq for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 12 May 2007 20:57:27 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hn5CN-00062K-Bm; Sat, 12 May 2007 20:56:45 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 12 May 2007 20:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hn5BM-00061q-D7 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 20:55:40 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hn5BL-00061i-IQ; Sat, 12 May 2007 20:55:40 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:55:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20070513035539.GZ16151@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: jbovlaste@lojban.org, lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20070513031708.GX16151@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070513031708.GX16151@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-archive-position: 13711 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: jbovlaste natlang word voting question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=ZCd8zAffhB-8KCA12C3C105kyHPwSKW3JLQ84JqOAOUqlqRNIA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28170 On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 08:17:08PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > A jbovlaste question; if you don't care about how jbovlaste works or > is laid out, move along. > > I'm pondering the nature of natlang word voting; look at > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/computer%20program for > example (if anyone can suggest a better example, where "better" is > defined here as "more contention", please speak up). > > I'm wondering if natlang word voting buys us anything. I mean, a > Lojban word has only one meaning, so it's not Ok for the second > place of sampli to mean both "computer program" and "astronaut". > :) But it *is* OK for "computer program" to map to both sampli and > samtci, as occurs on that page. I don't see a lot of value to > preferring one over the other; maybe if they're both above water > (a positive vote value) we should have both in the dictionary? > > What do you all think? Someone pointed out that you couldn't acutally derive that second place of sampli from its components, so I've corrected that. Try http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/ball instead for an example of multiple natlang usages; if the dictionary said something like "ball - first place of bolci, second place of selboi", would that be a bad thing? -Robin To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.