From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Jun 20 12:11:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43429 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2007 19:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2007 19:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2007 19:11:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 13929 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2007 19:11:37 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 20 Jun 2007 19:11:37 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I15aW-0005VY-H9 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:11:34 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I15Zv-0005Sl-MC; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:10:58 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I15YH-0005SZ-Q6 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:09:14 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.251]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I15YD-0005SP-M0 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:09:13 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so82073ana for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:09:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OTSsrmUUA4MzGEoBXglQiuv4A0PjHTKHO5rKcVtymNzqUruh5IDXX2Hfv8SAmmqVOoJDHra/CGP0gNTrGFwrYgdG+GJ+ChQsW6ysyk5OAPVrJqQ3+p/zJFGjqKC6a7u+1boUp4JPA+mP97ln/CJfYP+S5OHtzed31v8LiUbHq/E= Received: by 10.100.197.15 with SMTP id u15mr611145anf.1182366546942; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.42.17 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560706201209r51f4da5arabd1f3c19cffa3c0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:09:06 -0300 In-Reply-To: <200706201124.30356.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200706201124.30356.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13744 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: inflect, conjugate, decline, and other grammar terms X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=2OBetYc6D63bXYjhlz-0b-XmkFqt6IdBRpxIozswebyGIFDrPg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28208 On 6/20/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > How should we express these terms? > inflect - I'm thinking {ja'ocne} (x1 varies in x2, showing x3, or something > like that) How about vlacne: "x1 varies/inflects in manner x2 meaning/causing x3 in language x4" > conjugate, decline. Verbs conjugate, nouns and adjectives decline - brivlacne, sumvlacne? > but is the > Russian past tense conjugated or declined? Why would you expect it to be declined? (I know very little about Russian.) > derive - e.g. forming {nunbroda} from {broda}. gafrafsi: "x1 is a derivational affix based on word x2 that changes x3 into x4 in language x5" zo nunbroda cu te gafrafsi zo nu zo broda >Unlike most languages in which > they are single words, the comparative {rodmau} and superlative {rodrai} are > compounds, not derivations. > person - we have words for "first-person pronoun" (mibma'o) and "second-person > pronoun" (donma'o), but what's just "person"? genpre? mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.