From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Jun 29 17:50:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44977 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2007 00:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2007 00:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2007 00:50:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 16494 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2007 00:49:57 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 30 Jun 2007 00:49:57 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I4QTO-000403-AI for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:05:58 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I4QSd-0003xd-9G; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:05:18 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I4QQx-0003xR-6L for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:03:27 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I4QQs-0003xA-Qo for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:03:26 -0700 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9FE1CE4B3 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:03:14 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706292003.14636.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 2 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13757 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 2 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.optus.nu Subject: [lojban] names of the months X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=BPCnUD7in4LYZ_imQzzsKDQKoO_uw0KDUHYxzELKZf7qXS1A5g X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28218 I've used {kanbyma'i ce jaurbeima'i li'o} for months, but I've been having second thoughts about this. Those words would be better used for the times of year corresponding to zodiac signs. I don't know much about astrology, so I find it hard to remember which zodiac sign corresponds to which month. The Gregorian calendar is a descendant of the Roman calendar, and Latin names are the most common names for the months, at least among languages with names of the months listed in Wiktionary. Non-IE languages using Latin names include Alabama, Arabic, Estonian, Filipino, Georgian, Hungarian, Livonian, Malaysian, Maltese, Maori, and Tatar. Naming months with numbers is mostly confined to East Asia. A common way of naming months is to describe the season (e.g. "listopad", which means "leaf-fall", is found in several Slavic languages), but as seasons are opposite for xorxes and me, that would not be appropriate. So I propose the following: ianvari, frebuari, *martio, *prilio, *madjio, *djunio, *djulio, avgusto, septembero, oktobero, novmbero, decmbero. The starred forms are valid, but vlatai thinks they are invalid because they differ by an apostrophe from a lujvo. For pre-Augustan versions we can use {kuintili} and {sektili} ({sekstili} is a meaningless lujvo). Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.