From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 21 08:21:00 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IYkJQ-00069e-Bu for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:21:00 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IYkJJ-00069M-18 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:21:00 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so662959nfv for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:20:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Dn6Gw/eF8V/iP7gDOpqAaJjk+0wCtuSsxzAA0VMeEFU=; b=hDsfErfyDCEwtC5Ifoi3V2TV3WrbwUOudponZV/0MlelNJpmK43NXD3hrF+r/57g/Cv8ayWwkMvWqrq4Fss+QW3xMev5bwoOe0hEDn+hBU3G7r8TU+CNw4WXzIPPhsw3JKDvmb7zhc9PtXG+OwNoghSeqZB2eYGr22sax4PO0Q4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pRUIOqhJZMkKRyfdA6L2jWl/+sifshh841lzxh9gSZd8Qfz+K8tcnteSKMYurIv8K2S3QoiC68auqZ/gSXUI1+88bPRnHDcZLVrUsZu28FeNlwlhPTG4y0FpQeKb8mIe6pVBC0YIAJzZ/GRW/y6UVd9g6fTDOG3jfeqOi5gVk8w= Received: by 10.86.1.1 with SMTP id 1mr2383518fga.1190388047930; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560709210820o1e9d79e4tac5380a02d380b98@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:20:47 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: type-3 fu'ivla and ndj rule In-Reply-To: <200709211054.08676.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200709211054.08676.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13834 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 9/21/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > A jamo, in Korean writing, is a phonemic character which is assembled into a > syllabic character. If I make a short-rafsi type-3 fu'ivla out of that, it > comes out {lerndjamo}, which is an ill-formed word. Can I use 'l' as the > hyphen-letter (lerldjamo), or do I have to use the long rafsi (lerfrdjamo)? If we follow the letter of the law, as given in CLL: "Hyphenate the rafsi to the rest of the fu'ivla with an ``r''-hyphen; if that would produce a double ``r'', use an ``n''-hyphen instead; if the rafsi ends in ``r'' and the rest of the fu'ivla begins with ``n'' (or vice versa) use an ``l''-hyphen. (This is the only use of ``l''-hyphen in Lojban.)" then the "l" cannot be used as hyphen in the -dj case. But then the claim: "Here is a simple and reliable procedure for making a non-Lojban word into a valid Stage 3 fu'ivla:" is false. I would say that the spirit of the rules is that "l" would be used in that case too. (I'd rather use {lernjamo} though.) mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.