From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 26 09:05:21 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IaZO4-0000E6-Ro for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:05:21 -0700 Received: from el-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.162.178]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IaZO2-0000Dc-0m for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:05:20 -0700 Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n30so411857elf for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:05:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Xnry+QzIz1I5BTUEn/jh9UzNN9idp8Rn6JWzE/TexTU=; b=QeblunTJ/lJJ9aM179JVyuD5q04OuowHZcprveXxkY0Qk167w40X2LN3SHh4GJNm3Si4+n888KSwTGmxyi1Sd7OG/+W0OV3sq5OJIxJynoAnVYNbL4Xknj/aJfT0+Sj/g8xoh+YR1SMSuGs+NUAiS0V7L/QJ+vG7EkBveL7d/LE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e0M2z+Ds/mgSThHW/MC4nn4L6NgwadIecPrltsNPzTUbBiM1sRzvp2le5f9COK7lVCReDRA0bCXFFCD/66xYMc8Pe2L3OdYeeLFFNf6J+ouz7t+NxMmEsxlAphbizOS/zfpK9kPXgznOMfYXLV2rfH4w+lolZPpxhc53mO5ERAA= Received: by 10.142.89.9 with SMTP id m9mr803015wfb.1190822709865; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.83.13 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <975a94850709260905h3cb696acmabe6a1fb12f35515@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:05:09 -0700 From: "Joel Shellman" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Question to native English speakers In-Reply-To: <003d01c80048$417f3480$e18e6d0a@Starlight> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3ccac5f10709240731m128e16bbu376cf0191d37a110@mail.gmail.com> <975a94850709240904p3f6e633csb49205991f4fc827@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560709241214q46429ef1p35560a4c1ad3c001@mail.gmail.com> <975a94850709241235x6c460075pdb2f0554e2ce40da@mail.gmail.com> <46FA4C79.7070308@perpetuum-immobile.de> <003d01c80048$417f3480$e18e6d0a@Starlight> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13859 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jshellman@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 9/26/07, Marjorie Scherf wrote: > Joel Shellman wrote: > > After googling, I found one non-authoritive account stating that > > adj-noun-noun combos should always be considered adj (noun noun) > > unless there is a hyphen between the first two words. > > Man, that's a sweet ass car! I'll take that both as humor and an example. I would not consider this an adj-noun-noun combo as the first two words are a slang adjective phrase--basically a compound word. To demonstrate, you would never say that with the first word removed as you would say "World Map". And on the flip side, I will reiterate what I said before--if we're talking grammar, that's one thing (and that's what I was referring to above), but if we're talking about how some English speakers speak, that's entirely different and why I would say that there will be cases where adj-noun-noun combos can and are interpreted both ways. In fact, during my googling, I found a writing tips type of article that was saying one should expand out noun phrases explicitly because they can be confusing--especially long chains of them. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.