From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 27 10:25:08 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Iax6q-0002jq-7R for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:25:08 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.170]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Iax6m-0002jY-Nj for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:25:07 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1430543uge for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=YfwXVvPiXwFpZgjiUwN8lmQPAvCfDFRE0h2TWTaNvSU=; b=QO7uEDYAAO+MqDTErY+ulmALqS7Eos5GtPTIPIjvlbDmcOvM+xN8Yy5TfDyMccX2OUcKy1QRBszYAptow9SjQj69pykd3BsJ8YKd7YtWA1lpzfsT8WcsZ1TfM08yClFFoZFi5BCTyernGAFjOSn07foSHS8pibW0WWyNI5+LHAo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=X4QDS2FxqRiw5EnfL22fnzYPq77HaxmZ1mF7pbX74YWHYqPZb7MeZBaIne8SLV5+DkKJAhrjjruJy8E96NZombRE74W1z7yvIVtfpHRS8AReDkjzxm6S5QR3FJdaln09zcOoSbKhY9M5YACz8B8uUzNubHjpc6q/2op/saYwi/Q= Received: by 10.66.219.11 with SMTP id r11mr3865766ugg.1190913901141; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.21.2 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160709271025t31569a42t8c6c20f0d7cd5555@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:25:01 -0400 From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: What is lojbo? In-Reply-To: <00b901c8012d$77fcee40$e18e6d0a@Starlight> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2733_12116499.1190913901127" References: <00b901c8012d$77fcee40$e18e6d0a@Starlight> X-Google-Sender-Auth: fafb2c9f2e8224ab X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13864 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_2733_12116499.1190913901127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 9/27/07, Marjorie Scherf wrote: > > A discussion was started on the beginners list that seemed to fit better > here. The question is whether something can be a Lojbanic way of talking > about something if it uses non-Lojban letters. For example, saying {wybu} to > talk about 'w'. It has been brought up that when talking to beginners, > discussions of letters are usually done in English. But it would seem to me > that if we're not worrying about Lojban names for things or Lojban ways to > name them that it is pointless to use {bu} at all in these beginners' > discussions. Things like {wybu} or its analogs {qybu} or {hybu} seem like > inconsistent hybrids. But then, I've only been learning for a few months, > and it is possible that there are years of precedents for this kind of thing > that I missed. > They don't parse. Non-lojbanic characters can only be expressed inside {la'o} and {zoi} quotes. Otherwise you have to use circumlocutions such as {y'y. bu} and those involving {lau} {zai} {tei}. .i ebu cusku lu .i sepli mi'o le panoxa cibjmagutci fa la ke'avro .ije ma'a > ponse lo culno me la betsis. me'u .e lo xadba culno tanxe be lo zgikrkazu'u > .ije manku .ije mi'o dasni lo solri le'otci li'u .i jy. cusku lu ko .e mi > klama li'u > u'i i mi stidi lu le cibjmagutci be li pa no xa li'u i mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ------=_Part_2733_12116499.1190913901127 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 9/27/07, Marjorie Scherf <mls1@rice.edu> wrote:

A discussion was started on the beginners list that seemed to fit better here. The question is whether something can be a Lojbanic way of talking about something if it uses non-Lojban letters. For example, saying {wybu} to talk about 'w'. It has been brought up that when talking to beginners, discussions of letters are usually done in English. But it would seem to me that if we're not worrying about Lojban names for things or Lojban ways to name them that it is pointless to use {bu} at all in these beginners' discussions. Things like {wybu} or its analogs {qybu} or {hybu} seem like inconsistent hybrids. But then, I've only been learning for a few months, and it is possible that there are years of precedents for this kind of thing that I missed.


They don't parse. Non-lojbanic characters can only be expressed inside {la'o} and {zoi} quotes. Otherwise you have to use circumlocutions such as {y'y. bu} and those involving {lau} {zai} {tei}.

.i ebu cusku lu .i sepli mi'o le panoxa cibjmagutci fa la ke'avro .ije ma'a ponse lo culno me la betsis. me'u .e lo xadba culno tanxe be lo zgikrkazu'u .ije manku .ije mi'o dasni lo solri le'otci li'u .i jy. cusku lu ko .e mi klama li'u

u'i i mi stidi lu le cibjmagutci be li pa no xa li'u i mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
 


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