From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Sep 21 08:22:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87714 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 15:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 15:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.5) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 15:22:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 26519 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 15:22:16 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 21 Sep 2007 15:22:16 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IYkKa-0006BB-My for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:22:13 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IYkKE-00069k-9p; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:21:53 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IYkJQ-00069e-Bu for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:21:00 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IYkJJ-00069M-18 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:21:00 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so662959nfv for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.1.1 with SMTP id 1mr2383518fga.1190388047930; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560709210820o1e9d79e4tac5380a02d380b98@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:20:47 -0300 In-Reply-To: <200709211054.08676.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200709211054.08676.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13834 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: type-3 fu'ivla and ndj rule X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=W2YrYK99K9rE2P5H648Zadf8YX6gbfblbVAWwpgKMhRZw9pLiA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28307 On 9/21/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > A jamo, in Korean writing, is a phonemic character which is assembled into a > syllabic character. If I make a short-rafsi type-3 fu'ivla out of that, it > comes out {lerndjamo}, which is an ill-formed word. Can I use 'l' as the > hyphen-letter (lerldjamo), or do I have to use the long rafsi (lerfrdjamo)? If we follow the letter of the law, as given in CLL: "Hyphenate the rafsi to the rest of the fu'ivla with an ``r''-hyphen; if that would produce a double ``r'', use an ``n''-hyphen instead; if the rafsi ends in ``r'' and the rest of the fu'ivla begins with ``n'' (or vice versa) use an ``l''-hyphen. (This is the only use of ``l''-hyphen in Lojban.)" then the "l" cannot be used as hyphen in the -dj case. But then the claim: "Here is a simple and reliable procedure for making a non-Lojban word into a valid Stage 3 fu'ivla:" is false. I would say that the spirit of the rules is that "l" would be used in that case too. (I'd rather use {lernjamo} though.) mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.