From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Sep 27 11:18:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20887 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2007 18:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2007 18:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2007 18:18:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 26970 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2007 18:18:22 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 27 Sep 2007 18:18:21 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IaxwK-0004Xl-7i for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:18:20 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Iaxvs-0004V1-10; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:17:57 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IaxuT-0004Uv-Ln for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:16:25 -0700 Received: from netscaler1.rice.edu ([128.42.205.5] helo=mh4.mail.rice.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IaxuP-0004Ud-L0 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:16:25 -0700 Received: from mh4.mail.rice.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mh4.mail.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8CC88124 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:16:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-2.4.4 at mh4.mail.rice.edu Received: from mh4.mail.rice.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by mh4.mail.rice.edu (mh4.mail.rice.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O5DqgKuSQlCs for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:16:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Starlight (student-109-mar142-225.rice.edu [10.109.142.225]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mh4.mail.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656F2881D5 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:16:06 -0500 (CDT) References: <00b901c8012d$77fcee40$e18e6d0a@Starlight> <12d58c160709271025t31569a42t8c6c20f0d7cd5555@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:13:45 -0600 Message-ID: <00c401c8013a$8a871a60$e18e6d0a@Starlight> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C80108.3FECAA60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <12d58c160709271025t31569a42t8c6c20f0d7cd5555@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcgBK5ete/PjGI4YQXaniXzFS1f7qwADcu8g X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13865 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mls1@rice.edu X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Marjorie Scherf" From: "Marjorie Scherf" Reply-To: mls1@rice.edu Subject: [lojban] Re: What is lojbo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=vCuhURoIIBtFy2bDSW8GFRJwCwNufukbq03GC3bfJly7z70yng X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28339 ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C80108.3FECAA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _____ From: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of komfo,amonan Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:25 AM To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: What is lojbo? On 9/27/07, Marjorie Scherf wrote: A discussion was started on the beginners list that seemed to fit better here. The question is whether something can be a Lojbanic way of talking about something if it uses non-Lojban letters. For example, saying {wybu} to talk about 'w'. It has been brought up that when talking to beginners, discussions of letters are usually done in English. But it would seem to me that if we're not worrying about Lojban names for things or Lojban ways to name them that it is pointless to use {bu} at all in these beginners' discussions. Things like {wybu} or its analogs {qybu} or {hybu} seem like inconsistent hybrids. But then, I've only been learning for a few months, and it is possible that there are years of precedents for this kind of thing that I missed. They don't parse. Non-lojbanic characters can only be expressed inside {la'o} and {zoi} quotes. Otherwise you have to use circumlocutions such as {y'y. bu} and those involving {lau} {zai} {tei}. I think the question, though, was more about whether it can be considered Lojbanic to say something like {wybu} in an English sentence. .i ebu cusku lu .i sepli mi'o le panoxa cibjmagutci fa la ke'avro .ije ma'a ponse lo culno me la betsis. me'u .e lo xadba culno tanxe be lo zgikrkazu'u .ije manku .ije mi'o dasni lo solri le'otci li'u .i jy. cusku lu ko .e mi klama li'u u'i i mi stidi lu le cibjmagutci be li pa no xa li'u i mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ki'e .komfo,amonan. .imu'omi'e .skaryzgik. ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C80108.3FECAA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of komfo,amonan
Sent: Thursday, September 27= , 2007 11:25 AM
To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: What i= s lojbo?

 

On 9/27/07, Marjorie Scherf <ml= s1@rice.edu> wrote:

A discussion was started on the beginners list that seemed t= o fit better here. The question is whether something can be a Lojbanic way of talking about something if it uses non-Lojban letters. For example, saying {wybu} to talk about 'w'. It has been brought up that when talking to beginners, discussions of letters are usually done in English. But it would seem to me that if we're not worrying about Lojban names for things or Lojb= an ways to name them that it is pointless to use {bu} at all in these beginner= s' discussions. Things like {wybu} or its analogs {qybu} or {hybu} seem like inconsistent hybrids. But then, I've only been learning for a few months, a= nd it is possible that there are years of precedents for this kind of thing th= at I missed.


They don't parse. Non-lojbanic characters can only be expressed inside {la'= o} and {zoi} quotes. Otherwise you have to use circumlocutions such as {y'y. b= u} and those involving {lau} {zai} {tei}.

 

I think the question, though, was more about whether it can be considered Lojbanic to say something like {wybu} in= an English sentence.

 

 

.i ebu cusku lu .i sepli mi'o le panoxa cibjmagutci fa la ke'avro .ije ma'a ponse lo culno me la betsis. me'u .e lo xadba culno tanxe= be lo zgikrkazu'u .ije manku .ije mi'o dasni lo solri le'otci li'u .i jy. cusk= u lu ko .e mi klama li'u

u'i i mi stidi lu le cibjmagutci be li pa no xa li'u i mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan

 

ki’e .komfo,amonan.

 

.imu’omi’e .skaryzgik.

 


 

 

 

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